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 Vote - come and vote 

Vote - come and vote
Bush 11%  11%  [ 11 ]
Kerry 70%  70%  [ 69 ]
Third Party 19%  19%  [ 19 ]
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Tell us why you voted the way you did...

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kerry.
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that says it all for me....

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this is not to say that I'm Pro-Kerry, because in a better America, Howard Dean would be the Democratic ticket...but my Anti-Bush-ism overpowers everyother voting instinct in my body, so there ya go!

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Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:16 am
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i have no choice, being canadian, but if i was there, i'd happily choose "no party."

but, that's never on the ballot =7

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Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:23 pm
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Undecided wrote:
i have no choice, being canadian, but if i was there, i'd happily choose "no party."

but, that's never on the ballot =7

You always have the option of canceling your vote if you don't believe in any of the running parties. I wish more people would do that instead of choosing not to participate in the elections at all.

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Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:42 pm
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Glandith wrote:
Undecided wrote:
i have no choice, being canadian, but if i was there, i'd happily choose "no party."

but, that's never on the ballot =7

You always have the option of canceling your vote if you don't believe in any of the running parties. I wish more people would do that instead of choosing not to participate in the elections at all.

-Glandith

Whats the difference between cancelling your vote to not voting at all? It still means that you are not in anyway reflecting the outcome of the election.

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Mesmerise wrote:
Whats the difference between cancelling your vote to not voting at all? It still means that you are not in anyway reflecting the outcome of the election.

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By cancelling your vote, you are expressing your displeasure regarding the options being offered to you. I can't see any other reason for canceling. Imagine waking up the next morning to find that 50% of the population decided to cancel their vote? That would give the government something to think about, no? Just take a look at the "How goth are you?" thread. The majority voted null, cancelling their vote. The thread is now closed.

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Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:12 pm
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I null voted in this thread because I wished to see the results and it's not my place to put down a candidate because I'm not in the US

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Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:19 pm
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I would vote kerry because I'm anti-bush, and because the third party isn't going to win. So instead of hampering the possibility of bush losing, I'd rather enhance it.

But lo, I am 15, so no voting for me. Maybe I can sway my parents votes...

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Glandith wrote:
Mesmerise wrote:
Whats the difference between cancelling your vote to not voting at all? It still means that you are not in anyway reflecting the outcome of the election.

Mes

By cancelling your vote, you are expressing your displeasure regarding the options being offered to you. I can't see any other reason for canceling. Imagine waking up the next morning to find that 50% of the population decided to cancel their vote? That would give the government something to think about, no? Just take a look at the "How goth are you?" thread. The majority voted null, cancelling their vote. The thread is now closed.

-Glandith

But it wouldn't do anything. They aren't going to change anything someone will still win. Regardless what you do with your vote. Wouldn't it be better to find a candidate you do want and get them on the ballot which then makes your vote worthwhile?

Mes

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Mesmerise wrote:
But it wouldn't do anything. They aren't going to change anything someone will still win. Regardless what you do with your vote. Wouldn't it be better to find a candidate you do want and get them on the ballot which then makes your vote worthwhile?

Mes

But what if there is no suitable candidate? What if they all have goals you don't believe in? Why vote for someone you don't fully support? There could be many reasons why someone doesn't vote: lazyness, indifference, inconvenience, etc. But if you cancel your vote, you're sending only one message across: you aren't happy. Sure there will still be a winner, but it might get them thinking and realize that somewhere, something's wrong.

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Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:38 pm
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it's as mesmerize said: Doing something like ruining a ballot doesnt really change anything. If over half the people voting all decided to choose no parties, or wrote on their ballot: "No thank you, we dont want a State," would the state just say "ah, democracy rules!" and dismantle itself? it could be that 99 percent of the people decide to ruin their vote or do what i just mentioned, but the 1 percent remaining which voted for a party would get their party in =7

but, for the record... the last canadian election (which wasnt long ago), i did choose to ruin my ballot (and they made it hard, too - we had pencils, and almost the whole ballot was *black* except for the squares beside the party names, so even if you wanted to be specific with *why* you decided to ruin your ballot, you had almost no space to do it in... all i could do was put "no" in every box).

however, mesmerize, just one point: There are those of us who dont want any parties or whatnot in, so trying to look for a party which really speaks to us is a moot point. For such people, the ballot becomes nearly useless, and even if a candidate was choosen (due to reasons of *desperately* wanting another candidate/party to lose, because you think they're just that harmful), such a person would still feel like their vote wasnt particularly worthwhile anyway. If a fellow forced me to choose to shoot either one person, or two people, well... you'd have to choose the one, and while it might be the better action in that limited scenario, you wouldnt feel like you've really done something worthwhile. =(

-Undecided



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Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:59 pm
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Undecided wrote:
but, for the record... the last canadian election (which wasnt long ago), i did choose to ruin my ballot (and they made it hard, too - we had pencils, and almost the whole ballot was *black* except for the squares beside the party names, so even if you wanted to be specific with *why* you decided to ruin your ballot, you had almost no space to do it in... all i could do was put "no" in every box).

Why'd you waste your time going to vote then? You didn't prove anything by doing that because your ballot was most likely discarded straight away. Not showing up at all would have given the exact same result.

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I'm european (italian) and here we don't use to write why we didn't want to vote if we want to express that there isn't anything we'd want to vote for. If you want to give that message you just leave the ballot as it is and give it as if you had voted. They are then called "white" ballots; I never was outside of Europe, but I've travelled much in my little continent, and I'm sure they use to do like this also in most other european countries. In Italy "white" ballots are like 1-3%, it would really interest me how many there are in the US.

Regarding if it is useful to choose nothing, I think it really is. Maybe not in the practical sense: we'll never see anything changed because many ballots were "white", though it's the only method to give a sign. It's also the only method to make other people who think like you know how many there are that think there is something that has to be radically changed. It's surely not a solution, but it's a good point to start from.



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no one for bush??

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