I have known Israel and its actions against the countries around it and I would like to point out something.
First of all, Israel should be considered as a terrorist country. Why? Because since the English granted the Jewish people a land in Palestine, war began in the Middle East.

Every Prime Minister until now wanted to expend the land of Israel and take over Palestine.
Israel was against Egypt, Lebanon, Syria (I hate this country and its people), Palestine. They made peace with Egypt because if they didn't, I'm sure as hell that they would of had one hell of a war and destroyed each others.
Israelies were in control of South Lebanon and they have done what is considered a terrorist act there. They have killed kids and families and destroyed houses of civilians.
Not until a few years ago that the Israelie military was out of South Lebanon.

Now why people think that Palestinians send suicide-bombers to Israel? Because that's the only way for them to defend their country and keep a small threat on Israel every now and then.

I'm not against the civilians in Israel and I wouldn't enjoy hearing that every week a suicide-bomber killed people.. but I also wouldn't like to hear that the Israelie military is killing people so they take over Palestine.

If Israel and Palestine wanted peace, Israel by itself would of got out of Palestine instead of everytime putting down rules that they want this city and this city in Palestine and peace yet they keep saying that Palestine and Yasser Arafat doesn't want peace with Israel.
Israel should sign the peace treaty without putting down rules that don't make any sense.

Israel was never stopped because the Jewish people in the U.S. are - or at least most of them - rich and I wouldn't mind saying that they are holding the U.S. in its place right now and they control many things. Yes, many wouldn't agree with me because you hear the media and it doesn't say so. *rolls his eyes*

NB:This post is not meant to offend you Charlotte Sometimes, but I only speak of what I have seen for so many years.

What you have "seen for so many years" has been the biased, anti-Israeli media reports. I don't understand WHY the media is so against Israel, but they are, and they intentionally portray everything wrong. Israel is not a terrorist country. Palestine is.

*Waits for SS to find this thread...*

*rolls his eyes*
When you live for 15 years in a country next to Israel, I think you can know very well the behavior of its politicians and what they want.


How could a country defending itself be a terrorist country?

Do us a favour and leave out blanket statements like this unless you're going to explain them.



Now I might be stupid but that doesn't seem to be a defensive act to me. It seems a rather offensive movement.



In response to this and most of your post.

Where is your evidence? Of course people are going to have a got at this thread if they don't think it's correct. How about you give us some links to some documentation that shows that the media has misrepresented this situation?

Mes

Yes but then wouldn't Charlotte also know?

Mes

I don't have any "documentation" that shows that the media misrepresents it but I will tell you one thing: I have never seen the media in the U.S. saying that Israel attacked Palestine. And if they did say that, they have an excuse to why they attacked and the wise will understand that this "excuse" is no excuse.

Take it this way: you come to my house and break my TV and paint my wall blue. I ask you to paint my wall white (considering that's what it was), you say if you keep it I will buy you a new TV. I, then, attack your house in a different way. Am I being offensive?

Not everyone is in the US you know. So you're telling me you cannot give me one link to back up anything you're saying?

To answer your scenario. Yes that would be an offensive act. Attacking in retaliation is still an offensive act. Payback is not defensive it is offensive.

Mes

I'm going to have to agree that I think Palestine has been unfairly demonised due to pro-Israeli media.

The only thing I've seen that might be non-biased was on Channel 4. They pointed out that many of the actions that Mussad have taken have been worse than many terrorist organisations.

However, I agree that payback does not help. As CXS say- this escalating trend will never end.
Living in that area, you should have seen already that revenge is not an effective tool for bringing peace. After all, 'both' (or more) sides have been at it for years. The fact that they are still at it is not precisely a shining example of the success of the payback method.

I must also agree with Mes- suicide bombings (for whatever reason people think they are doing them) are not defensive. Especially against civilian targets. Hell, at least over here the IRA didn't tend to try to take out civilians (sometimes property, but not normally people for the main part). If you are fighting a war you target the military- this is something that it seems people are going to have to re-learn.

As for your statement about Syria, I am agreeing with Mes again. Justify it or withdraw it.

S

A war did began. This may sound petty, but who attacked who? Just because Israel won doesn't mean Israel is a "bad" country.


Really? I guess that's why Israel gave back the Sinay desert (which is bigger than Israel) and I guess that's why Israel offered the palestinians a country (which they didn't take, this was a few years ago while Barak was PM).


Israel never did any terror acts in Lebanon that I know of. Can you give me an example?
I don't think though that the Israeli military should have stayed in Lebanon. This was, by the way, a decision Sharon, who is the current PM, made.


I know that a lot of Palestinians do want peace, but Arafat and the terrorists don't want peace. They want the destruction of Israel and to occupy the whole land. Did you know that Arafat is one of the richest world leaders? Did you know that the Palestinians are one of the poorest people in the world? My point here is that Arafat is getting a lot of money from this whole deal, why would he want peace?


I'm not offended

Arafat may be getting a lot of money out of it, but would it not be true to say that there are several Israelis who are profiting from the continued hostilities?
After all, Mussad won't be seen to need as much funding if the war comes to an end, will they?

S

Ofcourse they will. The mussad is not after just palestinian terrorists. This is like saying that the CIA had nothing to do before 9/11.

I said not as much funding, not none.
I didn't say they would have nothing to do.

Of course, if you would like to give me the fucking script you're reading my lines from I'd be happy to follow it.

S- Dangerously close to aggressive overuse of sarcasm.

It's perfectly reasonable that the Mussad gets more money now. It has more work to do. Wouldn't you want to get money for the extra work you do?

*smacks head*

Yes, they get more money now.
Therefore, it is in their interests for this war to continue as long as possible. This is what I was saying before.

S- Mental wired reflexes, 3... twitchy!

The interest of the people from the Mussad is to prevent things like buss explosions to happen, to catch those terrorists. I'm sure each and every one of them will be glad to be out of work.