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Oidhche-Yorath
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 Re: KKK Can't Adopt Highway
Nephele wrote: Their speech may be constitutionally protected, but I don't have to lay down and roll over and meekly take it.
-- Nephele Exactly. I am of the opinion we should be able to defend in this matter ourselves, not have someone silence everyone so we won't have to. Even if groups like the KKK were made unlawful and everything else that by law would eradicate their organization, that is akin to merely burying the head in the sand. It will not make the problem go away, only make it harder to see it coming if you ask me.
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| Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:34 am |
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Midieval Fantasy
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That was very beautifully said, Nephele! I am all for protesting and trying to change things for the better and your post was wonderful in read in that sense!
_________________ "May I have the Enlightenment of Buddha, the Peace of Gandhi, the Balance of Loazi, the Confidence of Hypatia, the Logic of Dawkins, and the Science of Sagan to guide me in all things." -Midi
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| Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:26 am |
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ImmortalLavana
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I just want to clarify, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF WHITE SUPREMACY! But as supporters of individuality, don't we have an obligation to support the first amendment? I AM AGAINST THE KKK AND ALL THOSE WHO AFFILIATE WITH IT, but I do have a little bit of a point, don't I?
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| Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:46 am |
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Nephele
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ImmortalLavana wrote: I just want to clarify, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF WHITE SUPREMACY! But as supporters of individuality, don't we have an obligation to support the first amendment? I AM AGAINST THE KKK AND ALL THOSE WHO AFFILIATE WITH IT, but I do have a little bit of a point, don't I? Sure, I support the First Amendment, too. But has the First Amendment been violated? The Georgia State Department of Transportation claims to have valid reasons for denying a roadside sign to the KKK, involving driver distraction, interference with flow of traffic, the potential creation of social unrest, etc. Plus, the Georgia DoT's Adopt-a-Highway program states that only civic organizations may participate, and there are those who argue that the KKK is not a "civic-minded" organization. Additionally, there are legal experts who are saying that if the KKK's name appears on a highway sign, it can then be viewed as a government endorsement of that organization, and in such a case the government has the right to deny such a group's participation in the program. Whether or not these are valid objections is something that can be determined in a court of law. If the KKK feels that they've been unjustly treated, then nobody is stopping them from doing what anyone else can do in this great nation of ours: Take it to court. -- Nephele
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| Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:23 am |
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Arquinsiel
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Well put. The strongest endorsement of the First Amendment is that groups like the KKK can take ridiculous stances and then go to court over it.
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| Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:09 pm |
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Midieval Fantasy
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Nephele wrote: Plus, the Georgia DoT's Adopt-a-Highway program states that only civic organizations may participate, and there are those who argue that the KKK is not a "civic-minded" organization.
-- Nephele
I would agree with that assessment. I do not see the organization as being 'civic-minded'. They are-in my opinion, in the same league of 'The Mob'. I don't see the government approving that either- because is it not beneficial to society. If they can make a good case that they are not 'civic-minded' then I'd be all for denying them the right tow adopt a highway.
_________________ "May I have the Enlightenment of Buddha, the Peace of Gandhi, the Balance of Loazi, the Confidence of Hypatia, the Logic of Dawkins, and the Science of Sagan to guide me in all things." -Midi
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| Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:44 pm |
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Nephele
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Midieval Fantasy wrote: I would agree with that assessment. I do not see the organization as being 'civic-minded'. They are-in my opinion, in the same league of 'The Mob'. I don't see the government approving that either- because is it not beneficial to society. If they can make a good case that they are not 'civic-minded' then I'd be all for denying them the right tow adopt a highway. You nailed it with "The Mob" comparison. No, the KKK isn't any kind of "civic-minded" organization: Wikipedia wrote: Several members of KKK groups were convicted of murder in the deaths of civil rights workers and children in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham. Today, researchers estimate that there may be approximately 150 Klan chapters with upwards of 5,000 members nationwide. Today, a large majority of sources consider the Klan to be a "subversive or terrorist organization". In April 1997, FBI agents arrested four members of the True Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in Dallas for conspiracy to commit robbery and to blow up a natural gas processing plant. In 1999, the city council of Charleston, South Carolina passed a resolution declaring the Klan to be a terrorist organization. A similar effort was made in 2004 when a professor at the University of Louisville began a campaign to have the Klan declared a terrorist organization so it could be banned from campus. They may try to wash their sheets, but underneath they are still criminally-minded. -- Nephele
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| Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:39 pm |
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centurion
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Joined: December 2004 Posts: 2740 Location: Osaka, Japan Gender:
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I just have a hard time taking any hate group seriously when they whine and cry about having their "free speech" taken away when otherwise they support all freedoms of speech, life, and otherwise, taken away from anyone who doesn't agree with them. It's like Hitler complaining that the British government was taking away his right to be a tyrannical dictator. Hate groups just reach all new levels of low for me the moment they start playing the victim card. Infiltrate any of these stupid neo-nazi forums and you will see they are ALL doing this. "Boo hoo, my right to beat up and kill interracial couples is being curtailed...... it's a Zionist conspiracy I tell you!!!" It gets even more ridiculous when they start crying about the largest ethnic group in the world, with a huge history of supremacist colonialism, facing extinction. 
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| Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:24 pm |
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Gillis
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All of you make some interesting points, and I largely agree (though not totally). I do find it interesting however that the KKK in this instance obviously used a loophole so they could get a whole bunch of KKK signs posted on a road at tax payers' expense.
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Wolfmammy
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 Re: KKK Can't Adopt Highway
centurion wrote: I just have a hard time taking any hate group seriously when they whine and cry about having their "free speech" taken away when otherwise they support all freedoms of speech, life, and otherwise, taken away from anyone who doesn't agree with them. It's like Hitler complaining that the British government was taking away his right to be a tyrannical dictator. Hate groups just reach all new levels of low for me the moment they start playing the victim card. Infiltrate any of these stupid neo-nazi forums and you will see they are ALL doing this. "Boo hoo, my right to beat up and kill interracial couples is being curtailed...... it's a Zionist conspiracy I tell you!!!" It gets even more ridiculous when they start crying about the largest ethnic group in the world, with a huge history of supremacist colonialism, facing extinction.  My thoughts, exactly! I have a hard time accepting that such hate groups should be covered under 'free speech'. Meh. As Elphie says, "They have the right to be idiots and I have the right to ridicule them for it!" 
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