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In a world filled with zombies, they failed to post sentries at night. How stupid can you get?

Ya know, I think Dale was the one always keeping watch now that I think about it. I'll have to rewatch it to be sure.


I think you're right... Doesn't he usually hang around on top of the trailer?


Right. But the night of the attack Dale was enjoying the special fish fry with the others 'round the fire. In celebration of all the fish that Andrea and Amy had caught earlier that day. Whenever people get TOO happy, you just know something really BAD is going to happen soon... :(

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Right. But the night of the attack Dale was enjoying the special fish fry with the others 'round the fire. In celebration of all the fish that Andrea and Amy had caught earlier that day. Whenever people get TOO happy, you just know something really BAD is going to happen soon... :(

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You're right, I forgot, he did the Faulkner bit. That is a little cliché, isn't it? Apparently, people in harsh survival situations aren't allowed to find even the smallest bit of joy in their situation...

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Right. But the night of the attack Dale was enjoying the special fish fry with the others 'round the fire. In celebration of all the fish that Andrea and Amy had caught earlier that day. Whenever people get TOO happy, you just know something really BAD is going to happen soon... :(

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You're right, I forgot, he did the Faulkner bit. That is a little cliché, isn't it? Apparently, people in harsh survival situations aren't allowed to find even the smallest bit of joy in their situation...


Yeah, that is kind of BS, to me. Also BS that they would've let their guard down.

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Yeah, that is kind of BS, to me. Also BS that they would've let their guard down.


The characters make a few fatal mistakes in the comic series, too. And, again, it's when things are going real well that something BAD soon follows.

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You're right, I forgot, he did the Faulkner bit. That is a little cliché, isn't it? Apparently, people in harsh survival situations aren't allowed to find even the smallest bit of joy in their situation...


History is full of people who found a little joy in dire circumstances, and still used a little common sense. And there were also the morons who didn't and paid the price. Like Firebase Mary Ann in the Vietnam War. They decided nothing would happen at such a late date, so they got slack. VC sappers overran them that night in the deadliest attack on a single firebase during the war.


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The last episode in it's entirety was full of many a "well, I saw that coming" moment. Not for the first time in the episodes, though...Merle severing his own hand was more than a bit foreseeable. But, I didn't dislike it.
I haven't had a chance to read the comics YET (I really, really want to), but so far this series is rather full of awesome. When such predictability comes around, though, if I honestly like what I'm watching I tend to explain it away as simple human archetype(s) or deeply ingrained mass consciousness-infused morality tales peeking about again. Or perhaps my standards have been lowered? Hm, oh well.

Looking forward to the next season! I feel the acting/script/FX is all superb, despite the shortcomings already mentioned in this thread. And you've got to admit, the idea of a series centered around a zombie necropalypse is pretty novel in itself, unless I'm unaware of any others.

Anyone want to PM me what Jenner whispered in Rick's ear? :D


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Anyone want to PM me what Jenner whispered in Rick's ear? :D


Major, major spoiler: Don't read this if you haven't been reading the comic book series: Considering that Rick's wife, Lori, is pregnant in the comic series (but not yet in the teevee series), I'm going to guess that Jenner whispered to Rick that his tests revealed that Lori is pregnant.

Oh, and now that I've read beyond issue #20, I've decided that I don't think that Michonne rocks anymore. Andrea is back to being #1.

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Oh, and now that I've read beyond issue #20, I've decided that I don't think that Michonne rocks anymore. Andrea is back to being #1.

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Oh, she and Michonne will toss that role back and forth a bit, but Andrea will always be the ultimate survivor. Get past Issue #50 and you'll see what I mean.

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Oh, and now that I've read beyond issue #20, I've decided that I don't think that Michonne rocks anymore. Andrea is back to being #1.

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Oh, she and Michonne will toss that role back and forth a bit, but Andrea will always be the ultimate survivor. Get past Issue #50 and you'll see what I mean.


Michonne survives that long? I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I was thinking for sure that if a zombie didn't get her, one of the survivors would kill her.

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Michonne survives that long? I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I was thinking for sure that if a zombie didn't get her, one of the survivors would kill her.

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If I recall correctly, she does. The cast gets put through the wringer, though...

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Yeah, that is kind of BS, to me. Also BS that they would've let their guard down.


The characters make a few fatal mistakes in the comic series, too. And, again, it's when things are going real well that something BAD soon follows.

How are you doing with the comics, Wolfie? What issue are you up to?

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Since my husband was off the past two days I read them all(up to 77) on my phone. If you have an Android phone DL the free ACV comic app!!! It makes reading comics easy even on a freakin' phone! :D

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I really, really dislike the blatant sexism the whole way through the comic. Michonne turns out to disappoint at the end. She's survived, it's what she does. Personally, I couldn't be like her, though. That stuff is never good, but it will probably be explained away by the author as a woman's 'basic instinct for survival' to spring on the nearest, strongest male for survival. :roll: Which is what I think was going on with Tyreese. Donna's words in the first comics about the men 'taking away our(women's) right to vote' prove prophetic. Which I extremely dislike. I also disliked Rick's onset of dementia later in the series. Seriously? The guy's gonna go that long before he snaps??? Really? If he had snapped it would've been sometime at the beginning and then he would've come to grips with the reality of the situation(as would they all) after almost a year with the dead walking around. It makes me wonder what real life, gritty experience the author has actually had. People are remarkable creatures in their ability to adapt. He seems to forget that, sometimes.

I find it extremely hard to believe that the women would all turn into meek little wusses who just want men to protect them. :? It makes me want to say that the author has some self esteem issues, at the very least. And some very odd views of what a women's role would be in such a situation.

The storyline, lately, is confusing me. And a LOVED what Michonne did to the Governor, but you'll read about that later. I know exactly what she did with that spoon. ;) Bout the only damn thing they get right in the series. Rick does do some horrifically bad things, but he always does them for the right reasons. Plus, they're things that, honestly, I could see myself doing in his place.

All in all it is an enjoyable read if you ignore the sexism it's saturated with.But I do live in the South, so I'm used to ignoring or blowing off ignorant things that some men think are 'Truth'(like evo-psych). Truth be told it would be *ME* out there with a sledgehammer, quarter staff, whathaveyou bashing zombie brains to pulp, not my husband. ;)

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Yeah, that is kind of BS, to me. Also BS that they would've let their guard down.


The characters make a few fatal mistakes in the comic series, too. And, again, it's when things are going real well that something BAD soon follows.

How are you doing with the comics, Wolfie? What issue are you up to?

-- Nephele


Since my husband was off the past two days I read them all(up to 77) on my phone. If you have an Android phone DL the free ACV comic app!!! It makes reading comics easy even on a freakin' phone! :D

Anyway:
[Reveal] Spoiler:
I really, really dislike the blatant sexism the whole way through the comic. Michonne turns out to disappoint at the end. She's survived, it's what she does. Personally, I couldn't be like her, though. That stuff is never good, but it will probably be explained away by the author as a woman's 'basic instinct for survival' to spring on the nearest, strongest male for survival. :roll: Which is what I think was going on with Tyreese. Donna's words in the first comics about the men 'taking away our(women's) right to vote' prove prophetic. Which I extremely dislike. I also disliked Rick's onset of dementia later in the series. Seriously? The guy's gonna go that long before he snaps??? Really? If he had snapped it would've been sometime at the beginning and then he would've come to grips with the reality of the situation(as would they all) after almost a year with the dead walking around. It makes me wonder what real life, gritty experience the author has actually had. People are remarkable creatures in their ability to adapt. He seems to forget that, sometimes.

I find it extremely hard to believe that the women would all turn into meek little wusses who just want men to protect them. :? It makes me want to say that the author has some self esteem issues, at the very least. And some very odd views of what a women's role would be in such a situation.

The storyline, lately, is confusing me. And a LOVED what Michonne did to the Governor, but you'll read about that later. I know exactly what she did with that spoon. ;) Bout the only damn thing they get right in the series. Rick does do some horrifically bad things, but he always does them for the right reasons. Plus, they're things that, honestly, I could see myself doing in his place.

All in all it is an enjoyable read if you ignore the sexism it's saturated with.But I do live in the South, so I'm used to ignoring or blowing off ignorant things that some men think are 'Truth'(like evo-psych). Truth be told it would be *ME* out there with a sledgehammer, quarter staff, whathaveyou bashing zombie brains to pulp, not my husband. ;)


In a perfect world, men and women would be out bashing zombies together. :D Sad, though, that we think a catastrophe is what would be required to finally bring about equality...

I don't think it's necessarily sexism per se rather than it might be the gender roles the author is used to. How small was the community he grew up/lived in most of his life? How traditional? Questions like that play into it. The community I live in - Odessa, Texas (yes, the city from that damn movie) - has about 100,000 people in it, but the folk here are still very traditional in their outlook. Very conservative (even the liberals here can be conservative by the rest of America's standards), very "Country & Western", very Bible Belt. There are quite a few folk who aren't traditional in the slightest, but they tend to hide it pretty well. The womenfolk 'round these parts are sometimes tougher than the men... but they will still gravitate toward traditional gender roles because that's the way they were raised and the culture they were raised in.

If it tells you anything about his cultural mindset, Robert Kirkman's Twitter account lists him as being from Kentucky. Uber-traditional place. I'm not trying to excuse the sexism, mind you; there ain't an excuse for it. I'm just trying to explain it so we can get a sense of the author's mindset.

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You're way ahead of me, Wolfie. I've only just started compendium Book #3 (containing issues #25 - #36). So I'm holding off on reading your spoiler. (I didn't know you could get these comics on your cell phone! My own cell phone is vary basic -- no Internet access or camera or anything.)

I gather (from what AB wrote in response to you) that you've been commenting on the sexism in the comic. I've noticed that, too. And there's NO way I'm buying that every single adult woman in the group would naturally decline being on a committee that determines decisions for the entire group. Particularly those women who have children, and thereby have a vested interest in making decisions that not only affect the entire group, but specifically their children. I think the author is WAY unrealistic about this, and I don't care how much he imagines a "survival situation" might agree with his viewpoint.

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You're way ahead of me, Wolfie. I've only just started compendium Book #3 (containing issues #25 - #36). So I'm holding off on reading your spoiler.

But, I gather (from what AB wrote here) that you've been commenting on the sexism in the comic. I've noticed that, too. And there's NO way I'm buying that every single adult woman in the group would naturally decline being on a committee that determines decisions for the entire group. Particularly those women who have children, and thereby have a vested interest in making decisions that not only affect the entire group, but specifically their children. I think the author is WAY unrealistic about this, and I don't care how much he imagines a "survival situation" might agree with his viewpoint.

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There is no survival situation that would ever agree with that. Even ancient cultures show women on par with men (even when they didn't mean to lol). For example, the Egyptians had at least two female pharaohs. The Bible gives us Deborah the prophetess, a judge of Israel (meaning she was essentially the head of state), a woman who was so inspiring that the general of Israel's army refused to go into battle without her; unless she was by his side, he didn't see victory as a certainty. Of course, there's Athena (though the culture that spawned her was about as sexist as possible), for another example, not to mention an entire tribe of warrior women.

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You're way ahead of me, Wolfie. I've only just started compendium Book #3 (containing issues #36 - #48). So I'm holding off on reading your spoiler. (I didn't know you could get these comics on your cell phone! My own cell phone is vary basic -- no Internet access or camera or anything.)

I gather (from what AB wrote in response to you) that you've been commenting on the sexism in the comic. I've noticed that, too. And there's NO way I'm buying that every single adult woman in the group would naturally decline being on a committee that determines decisions for the entire group. Particularly those women who have children, and thereby have a vested interest in making decisions that not only affect the entire group, but specifically their children. I think the author is WAY unrealistic about this, and I don't care how much he imagines a "survival situation" might agree with his viewpoint.

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I didn't download them to my phone, I just moved them from my computer to my microSD. Had to remove so much music. :( I can't wait to get a 32G microSD for my phone. No more shuffling crap around to make space on my tiny 2G.

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