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 Is Horror Punk a Subset of Goth, Musically Speaking? 
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I like Danzig-era Misfits, personally.

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I love Danzig era Misfits, I suggest anyone who isn't familiar with them start with Danzig era first, since it was the original band with Danzig as the songwriter.

And then maybe the American Psycho album with Michael Graves... I don't dig that or the newer Jerry Only stuff much, but "Dig Up Her Bones" is a damn good song...

Also, I highly recommend the album Legacy of Brutality by the Misfits. Unlike their faster punk stuff it has more of a evil rockabilly sound.... but it doesn't sound like psychobilly at all...

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All I've heard so far is the Danzig era Misfits. Pretty damn good stuff.

I really need to hear that Legacy of Brutality. I kinda like rockabilly so evil rockabilly sounds awesome. Also found myself getting into psychobilly lately so I'd like it regardless probably :)

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I kinda dig the rockabilly stuff.

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Danzig-era is the best, and a very original band. The Graves-era got a lot of smack back in the day, but now that they broke up Graves is starting to get some respect. The Jerry Only Band today is just an atrocity. Think Gene Simmons of punk rock! It's all about the money and merch, teasing you in by playing old great songs!

Legacy of Brutality is a great place to start, and just pick up Collection I and II and you'll pretty much have the greatest hits!

As far as Graves, it's pretty hit or miss in my opinion. Songs to youtube are:
Dig Up Her Bones
Scream
Shining
Haunting
Don't Open 'Til Doomsday
Lost in Space
Saturday Night
and Descending Angel to start with!

Yeah, sorry guys, I'm a total "fiend!" I've been a reader on Goth.net for awhile now but when I saw this topic I had to pop back into the discussions!


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Wolfmammy wrote:
I kinda dig the rockabilly stuff.


I do too; friend of mine used to manage rockabilly bands in the '90s (long before I knew him) and kinda got me interested after sending me some songs. It was from there that I discovered how much I liked psychobilly (the music AND the name).

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strictly speaking i think that it would be closer related to new wave which is i guess on the Gothic scene the man that's dead at heart see you on the flip side


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sean wrote:
strictly speaking i think that it would be closer related to new wave which is i guess on the Gothic scene


New Wave? No.

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sean wrote:
strictly speaking i think that it would be closer related to new wave which is i guess on the Gothic scene the man that's dead at heart see you on the flip side


Yeah, sorry, i can't say I got this either.

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royceicon wrote:
sean wrote:
strictly speaking i think that it would be closer related to new wave which is i guess on the Gothic scene the man that's dead at heart see you on the flip side


Yeah, sorry, i can't say I got this either.



Nope. Nopenopenopenopenope. Nope. HorrorPUNK. Punk. Very different from New Wave, though they come from the same musical tree branch.


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Nosredna wrote:
royceicon wrote:
sean wrote:
strictly speaking i think that it would be closer related to new wave which is i guess on the Gothic scene the man that's dead at heart see you on the flip side


Yeah, sorry, i can't say I got this either.



Nope. Nopenopenopenopenope. Nope. HorrorPUNK. Punk. Very different from New Wave, though they come from the same musical tree branch.



New Wave was more of a marketing term than a genuine genre anyway, much like Grunge.

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royceicon wrote:
New Wave was more of a marketing term than a genuine genre anyway, much like Grunge.

Bingo... Sorta.

"New Wave" is an odd phrase. The first time I heard it was when it was used as a the title of a compilation album issued in... what? Mid 1977? At that time, very few punk bands had issued much more than a few singles, and given the controversy surrounding punk at the time in this country, I suspect the "New Wave" tag was introduced to try and make it more acceptable. At the time, "New Wave" was definitely taken as a coverall, and included most of the punk bands. As a result, the album of that title was a strange mix; it included the likes of the Adverts, and, if I remember rightly, X-Ray Spex, as well as bands like Richard Hell and the Void-Oids, the Talking Heads and the Ramones.

However, "New Wave" quickly started to be used to cover bands who were travelling the same road as those solidly in the punk movement, but... Not quite as fierce. The Stranglers would be a perfect example in this country; from across the Atlantic, Devo were very much perceived as being "New Wave".

All such terms are subject to different interpretation with the passing of time, however, and I know that in the US, the interpretation of what it means is somewhat different than it is here; in some ways, New Wave is often used to mean what we over here have a tendency to define as "post-punk".

So yes... A marketing phrase, without doubt... But one which has a lot more meaning than most.


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I've always thought of New Wave as the upbeat brother of Post Punk
eg.
Joy Division = Post Punk
New Order = New Wave
but my friend from work (he was big into the punk scene back then) dismisses that as rewriting history and calls them (depending on the band in question) "art rock" or pop respectively.

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Ugh! I hate that phrase "art-rock" - it can mean, and has been applied to, nearly everything that no-one can quite put a handle on, from the Velvet Underground through Bowie, Eno (and at one point Roxy Music) to the likes of the Talking Heads and - indeed - Joy Division. But I actually would contend that on the whole, that is a marketing phrase, and largely meaningless (with all due respect to your friend, Milky).

As to New Order... Yes, there was a time when they were edgy, but "pop" probably describes them best.


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I guess it's very much the topic of this thread,
where do you draw the line for these genres? Horror punk/Deathrock, or Post Punk/New Wave, and I'm sure theres a million other examples to be brought up.
When do you stop being one and start being the other?
An answer would require a rigid and accepted criteria for the genres, something I personally don't think would work in music (of any kind).

I'm not fond of the "art-rock" either, me and that guy argue about music all the time, it is (perhaps oddly), why we're friends in the first place. (random info : he got in a fight with Joe Strummer backstage after a Clash gig here in Dublin :P)

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