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Today President Obama will be hosting a science fair at the White House, celebrating math and science competition winners from schools around the country. Last year, Obama hosted an astronomy night for students at the White House.

Not only this, but on December 8th President Obama will be appearing in an episode of the Discovery Channel's Mythbusters.

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Obama will challenge hosts Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman to revisit the controversial claim that ancient Greek scientist and mathematician Archimedes set fire to a fleet of invading Roman ships by using mirrors that reflect the sun's rays.

In keeping with the "Mythbusters" format, which uses scientific methods to confirm or refute claims often widely accepted as true, Savage and Hyneman will attempt to replicate Archimedes' reputed attack on the Roman ships.

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Whatever else, this is what I most want to see in a leader of my nation – one who pushes for scientific inquiry instead of his personal religious beliefs.

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This bodes well for our Leader.

I always thought they used that 'greek fire', honestly. Setting fire to ships with mirrors seems a bit far-fetched. But then so does a hotel with a death ray.

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Wow, I must say, that is pretty neat of Obama. That will definitely be one episode of Mythbusters that I would love to watch!

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Wow, I must say, that is pretty neat of Obama. That will definitely be one episode of Mythbusters that I would love to watch!


Me, too. Although Mythbusters has done an earlier episode revolving around Archimedes and his "death ray."

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This bodes well for our Leader.

I always thought they used that 'greek fire', honestly. Setting fire to ships with mirrors seems a bit far-fetched. But then so does a hotel with a death ray.


Wolfie, you're not the only one to doubt the probability of setting fire to ships with mirrors. The legend of Archimedes and his mirrors was apparently started in the Middle Ages, but there may be more to it. LiveScience.com (a science and technology news website) reported last summer on a study done in which it was proposed that Archimedes may used steam cannons in his attack on the Roman fleet:

LiveScience Senior Writer Jeremy Hsu wrote:
Greek inventor Archimedes is said to have used mirrors to burn ships of an attacking Roman fleet. But new research suggests he may have used steam cannons and fiery cannonballs instead.

A legend begun in the Medieval Ages tells of how Archimedes used mirrors to concentrate sunlight as a defensive weapon during the siege of Syracuse, then a Greek colony on the island of Sicily, from 214 to 212 B.C. No contemporary Roman or Greek accounts tell of such a mirror device, however.

Both engineering calculations and historical evidence support use of steam cannons as "much more reasonable than the use of burning mirrors," said Cesare Rossi, a mechanical engineer at the University of Naples "Federico II," in Naples, Italy, who along with colleagues analyzed evidence of both potential weapons.


Read full article here

I'm wondering whether this new information will be incorporated into the Mythbusters follow-up episode in December, with President Obama.

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Wolfmammy wrote:
This bodes well for our Leader.

I always thought they used that 'greek fire', honestly. Setting fire to ships with mirrors seems a bit far-fetched. But then so does a hotel with a death ray.

I also, could have sworn it was Greek fire they burned the ships with.

I think this was a lovely thing, promoting learning and curiosity is bound to help America row just that little bit more intelligent.

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Whatever else, this is what I most want to see in a leader of my nation – one who pushes for scientific inquiry instead of his personal religious beliefs.


I can't agree more! :)

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Nephele wrote:
Whatever else, this is what I most want to see in a leader of my nation – one who pushes for scientific inquiry instead of his personal religious beliefs.


I can't agree more! :)


Thank you! Despite the fear-mongering fostered by the anti-Obama crowd, knowing that we have a leader who isn't justifying the things our nation has done in the past by saying we're "on a task from god," and who isn't pushing for the teaching of creationism in our nation's schools, makes me feel that, even though we still may be sailing through a few rocky shoals, our compass is pretty much set on the right course now.

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Whatever else, this is what I most want to see in a leader of my nation – one who pushes for scientific inquiry instead of his personal religious beliefs.


I'm not a fan of the man myself, but I couldn't agree more. He doesn't talk about his religious beliefs or allows them to interfere with his administration, and that's the way it should be.


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Whatever else, this is what I most want to see in a leader of my nation – one who pushes for scientific inquiry instead of his personal religious beliefs.


I'm not a fan of the man myself, but I couldn't agree more. He doesn't talk about his religious beliefs or allows them to interfere with his administration, and that's the way it should be.


Yes it is. Anyone who puts science and a need for understanding before their own personal opinions on religion is a person who, even if I do not like well, I can still respect. I will admit that I did not vote for Obama, and I still do not like him greatly, but I have come to respect him, especially after some things he's done for the LGBTQI community. This only helps my opinion.

I would like to pose this question, however:

Do you think Obama is simply doing this for the publicity or do you think he actually cares?

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Do you think Obama is simply doing this for the publicity or do you think he actually cares?


To quote President Obama: “Passionate educators with deep content expertise can make all the difference, enabling hands-on learning that truly engages students — including girls and underrepresented minorities — and preparing them to tackle the ‘grand challenges’ of the 21st century such as increasing energy independence, improving people’s health, protecting the environment and strengthening national security.”

The man has two school-age daughters of his own. I think he actually cares.

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Nephele wrote:
Midieval Fantasy wrote:
Do you think Obama is simply doing this for the publicity or do you think he actually cares?


To quote President Obama: “Passionate educators with deep content expertise can make all the difference, enabling hands-on learning that truly engages students — including girls and underrepresented minorities — and preparing them to tackle the ‘grand challenges’ of the 21st century such as increasing energy independence, improving people’s health, protecting the environment and strengthening national security.”

The man has two school-age daughters of his own. I think he actually cares.

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He's always been about better education from the moment I started paying attention to him back in 2003. It did disappoint me greatly that he used his religious beliefs to support the idea of 'marriage' strictly being between a man and a woman, though.

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He's always been about better education from the moment I started paying attention to him back in 2003. It did disappoint me greatly that he used his religious beliefs to support the idea of 'marriage' strictly being between a man and a woman, though.


Regardless of his personal beliefs, in 2006 Obama voted NO to President Bush's proposed "Marriage Protection Amendment" to the Constitution, which would define marriage as consisting of a man and a woman.

Here is what Senator Barack Obama had to say to President George W. Bush in 2006:

Barack Obama wrote:
Mr. President, today, we take up the valuable time of the Senate with a proposed amendment to our Constitution that has absolutely no chance of passing.

We do this, allegedly, in an attempt to uphold the institution of marriage in this country. We do this despite the fact that for over 200 years, Americans have been defining and defending marriage on the State and local level without any help from the U.S. Constitution at all.

And yet, we are here anyway because it is an election year--because the party in power has decided that the best way to get voters to the polls is not by talking about Iraq or health care or energy or education but about a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage that they have no chance of passing.

Now, I realize that for some Americans, this is an important issue. And I should say that, personally, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

But let's be honest. That is not what this debate is about. Not at this time.

This debate is an attempt to break a consensus that is quietly being forged in this country. It is a consensus between Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, red States and blue States, that it is time for new leadership in this country--leadership that will stop dividing us, stop disappointing us, and start addressing the problems facing most Americans.

It is a consensus between a majority of Americans who say: You know what, maybe some of us are comfortable with gay marriage right now and some of us are not. But most of us do believe that gay couples should be able to visit each other in the hospital and share health care benefits; most of us do believe that they should be treated with dignity and have their privacy respected by the federal government.

We all know that if this amendment were to pass, it would close the door on much of this--because we know that when similar amendments passed in places such as Ohio and Michigan and Utah, domestic partnership benefits were taken away from gay couples.


This is not what the majority of the American people want. And this is not about trying to build consensus in this country; it is not about trying to bring people together.

This is about winning an election. That is why the issue was last raised in July of 2004, and that is why we haven't heard about it again until now. And while this is supposedly a measure that the other party raised to appeal to some of its core supporters, I don't know how happy I would be if my party only talked about an issue I cared about right around election time--especially if they knew it had no chance of passing.

I agree with most Americans, with Democrats and Republicans, with Vice President Cheney, with over 2,000 religious leaders of all different beliefs, that decisions about marriage, as they always have, should be left to the States.

Today, we should take this amendment only for what it is--a political ploy designed to rally a few supporters and draw the country's attention away from this leadership's past failures and America's future challenges.

There is plenty of work to be done in this country. There are millions without health care and skyrocketing gas prices and children in crumbling schools and thousands of young Americans risking their lives in Iraq.

So don't tell me that this is the best use of our time. Don't tell me that this is what people want to see talked about on TV and in the newspapers all day. We wonder why the American people have such a low opinion of Washington these days. This is why.


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Very well said by Obama, I must say.

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Seeing him mention skyrocketing gas prices makes me lol......


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Seeing him mention skyrocketing gas prices makes me lol......


"...to tackle the ‘grand challenges’ of the 21st century such as increasing energy independence..." -- Barack Obama

It's not just Obama who recognizes the fact that the United States is too dependent on the fossil fuel we get from the Middle East.

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