Antichrist Superstar will always be one of my all time favorite albums.

I've not heard that about Perry.

Unfortunately, you'll just have to get used to the Manson crap as it doesn't stop, even years down the road. All you can do is tell people that you don't care for his crap. Can't say I've ever been a MM fan, but I do think Antichrist Superstar was the best album he did.

-- Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:51 pm --



Christian Death are a pretty popular band in the subculture as well as Skinny Puppy. I don't see you hating them, To-san. True, they're not commercial and were never radio friendly, though.

The way I see it is club music is for dancing, the serious stuff is for listening to at home where you have the luxury to appreciate it in quiet solitude.

Be forewarned - Do Not Turn This Into A Manson Bashing Thread. We have plenty of those for you who wish to make use of the search function.

As for bands I hate - I have to go with anything involving Nick Cave. Not only do I loathe his music aesthetically, but an ex of mine looooooooved him and that ex was a douche.

Oh, and Reel Big Fish. Can't stand them. Been to a few festivals where they have played and couldn't sit through a set.

Well, Christian Death before Gitane left and Skinny puppy before Goettel died were both pretty nice and dark.
But yes, deinitely there is a strong difference between commercial/mainstream-friendly and well known, especially within the subculture.

I dunno, recntly I've been in a funk where I've stayed away from club/DJ-only events in favor of live music events. I just feel so much more passion when the music is the main focus!!
Sadly, the goth scene here is nearly nonexistent if you cut out the DJ-only events, and I stopped going to those once the deathrock/darkwave/trad goth DJs were cut, but I have been to some pretty cool black metal, crust/oi punk, and industrial/noise events in recent months.
That last funeral doom metal event with Corrupted and Mournful Congregation was pure black mass ecstacy!!!

Phil Collins (REALLY rubs me the wrong way). While I and my friends were listening to new wave, sorority girl airheads were listening to Phil Collins. Something about that voice really bothers me!
Van Morrison (well, maybe that's unfair, I understand he has lots of styles) but I just can't stand 3 of his songs - "Brown-Eyed Girl" and "Wild Night" sound like Midwest college frat party songs, and "Moondance" makes me think of cheesy wedding receptions in rented hotel ballrooms, complete with a loudmouth cornball Master of Ceremonies running the proceedings and old relatives asking me why I'm not dancing.
Bryan, Paula, Mariah, Celine, Amy, and all that other Top 40 stuff I had to listen to in the lab in graduate school (in the 1990's) that now gets played on soft-rock adult contemporary stations (the sundries shop downstairs in my office building has that stuff playing all the time)

Another band I cannot stand is H.I.M.. Especially when I hear people commenting like, "oh, he's so dark!" it makes me want to vomit. There are bands that delve so much deeper into the pits of the human soul that you can't even compare the two. I've posted about my disdain for H.I.M. before, and still refer to his style as "darkity dark" or "I'm SO Gawth!". I'll add that a lot of his music is like a checklist of "gothic" things. Have I used vampires in 10 songs yet? Yes? CHECK! Have I used the oh-so-dark number 666 in a song yet? Yes? CHECK! The most irritating thing about this is that he uses the "dark" subject of his song directly as the title. There is no artistic obscurity at all, everything is in plain view.

I can't say that im a hater of slipknot cause it would be lie due to the fact that i have vermillion part 2 on my ipad. But im not a fan, the problem with slipknot is that they are musically challeged, every song sounds the same to the point where you can write out a basic math formula for a slipknot song.
Incoherit shouting + Heavy guitar + 3 or 4 line chorus= Slipknot song

Don't hate them cause of their outfits..although Mushroomhead has cooler mask


Mudvayne is like that too

H.I.M does indeed suck

I actually like His Infernal Majesty. I don't listen to the often and I can't seem to listen for long periods of time but I do like some, even many, of their songs so long as I don't have to listen to them for say...over 15 minutes in a row- i'm good with that band. I also like Cruxshadows "Annabel Lee" and "Jabberwocky"

HIM just sort of puzzle me..... I don't really listen to them, and can't comment on their lyrics/themes, as I don't pay all that close attention to them.

All I know, from the promo videos I've seen, is that they really are nothing more than an alternative rock band(ok, so discogs.com labels them "dark alternative metal", though I can't really see where the "dark metal" part comes from) with an eyeliner-clad porn star, who likes to gasp when he sings, as a vocalist. They do seem to be quite popular in the European goth scene, enough to get loads of features from Orkus, so there must be something I'm missing. I don't hate them enough to want to claw out my ears everytime someone throws them on, but it's just not my taste, just sort of "there".
They've even inspired a couple of clones overseas, including Germany's End of Green and Japan's L'arc En Ciel.

Crockshadows..... just everything about them rubs me the wrong way, and not only their flatly produced, high-pitched pop music they try to pass off as goth, not only Rogue's extremely annoying nasal vocals, nor his flamboyantly narcissistic attitude. Just everything combined....... Even their reviews and descriptions on discogs.com piss me off!! Everyone who reviews them seems to glorify them as some sort of innovative kings of goth music, using the "G word" as much as possible, and making extremely naive comments about them that makes me wonder if they even listen to much goth music at all aside from local bands.
Comments about how "talented and unique" they are, due to Rogue wearing a headset live and how their token female violinist is part of their "unique crossover sound"(probably said in Rogue's pompous accent as well). Violins in goth music?? Wow, who woulda thunk???
That whole atmosphere that surrounds their fanbase lead me to believe their average fan is in their teens, just getting off their Manson/NIN kick......Oh well, everyone needs a gateway drug, so perhaps we should applaud the Crooxies for that.

And.... from the local scene, I have to give my two cents worth to the two current lolita-fangirl cash cow bands, Ali Project and Aural Vampire.
One is obviously more mainstream than the other, but both are virtually identical in approach and sound: cutesy Japanese anime pop, with fast, bubbly high-pitched sounding music that sounds like it was composed for some 8-bit video game, and even higher-pitched, cutesy J-girl vocals that remind me of when I was 5 and had a crush on Brittany of the Chipettes
However, this wouldn't bother me if they weren't both passed off as "goth music" around here..... There are just so many more deserving Japanese goth bands such as Jack or Jive or Sarry, who never play big goth events here because all the little cyber-lolita kiddies would rather listen to this crap!!!
The fact that no goths turned up at Merzbow's show, because they were too busy at the Aural Vampire gig down the street hurt, and hurt me deep......

Just so you know my pain......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diAtTV4feD4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJvPHQ3Q ... re=related

Generally, I try to stay away from certain genres as opposed to bands alone. For example:

- Nu-Metal (grew out of it)
- Techno (also grew out of it and I don't like the repetativeness, which is kind of ironic coming from me since I like other somewhat repetative electronic-based music)
- Black Metal (don't like death screeching)
- Gangsta Rap or just mainstream, current hip-hop in general (it's all about the bling and the bitches it seems)
- Country (this stuff is just so depressive in the lame, non-gothy way, IMO)
- Emo and Screamo (probably because my friends tolerate this depressive screaming and can't bear to hear my doom metal death growls)
- Pop-punk (...NO.)
- J-Pop/Metal/Rock or rather, the J-Pop/Metal/Rock label (IT'S JUST SUNG IN JAPANESE. No need to put it in its own category as if it's a special ed. kid. The same goes for music from China/Taiwan/Hong Kong and Korea)

Of course, there are bands that I stay away from or just don't care for either way. Marilyn Manson: I never cared to listen to him and I hope for it to remain that way
HIM: Only like three of their songs; just see them as dark alternative metal such as Evanescence
The Cruxshadows: Just refer to Centurion's reasoning. We think like identical twins on them
Aural Vampire: This, I admit, is a guilty pleasure of mine. All of their songs are cutsey and upbeat... and I like Exo-Chika's wardrobe. But I seriously want to find more dark Japanese bands like Jack or Jive instead of cutey visual kei and lolita inspired bands (and how about a band with a frontwoman who is actually, you know, a woman???) I'm not ranting on androgyny or anything, but, in all of the music out of Japan that I listen to, there seems to be this divide in the sexes nontheless.

I used to hate Manson quite a bit, but nowadays, I just don't care about him, really..... I actually don't mind the following songs: Cryptorchid, Man That You Fear, or Apple of Sodom. Everything else is feces.

I guess in my heart, I've always loved black metal, along with doom metal...... more specifically, the darkest sides of these genres, such as black ambient, or funeral doom. I really can't get into most of this new school, commercial style though, such as newer Dimmu Borgir, newer Dark Funeral, newer Behemoth etc.
Stuff with sterile "trad metal" production values, meaty/crunchy riffs, "in your face" vocals, annoying triggered drums, etc.
No.... when it comes to this style of music, I prefer stuff that sounds as if it were created for playing in a graveyard or black mass, not a KISS concert.

Thank you! These did, indeed, truly hurt - and definitiely NOT in a nice way...

Carpi, what are you talking about? Ville Valo's a pretty hot chick, can't sing worth a damn, though. Anything refered to as 'love metal' gets an instant guffaw out of me!

To-san, you just know Sopor and Lacrimosa copied Crotchshadows after they started using violins!

*ducks & runs*

Hmmm...

Not a band, but "KE$HA"

I hate her music and the image she has adopted. Hate. Hate. Hate.

Seriously "Where they go hardcore and there's glitter on the floor"?

WTF?!

The rest of the lyrics can be found here: http://www.lyricsbox.com/kesha-lyrics-take-it-off-dlddcjk.html
Besides being laughable lyrics, the song, what I hear before I block it out with my iPod, is crap in general. Once, just the other day I heard almost the whole thing, as there were others I was talking to in the car when the radio was on, and to put my iPod in would be rude!

I also hate most Miley Cyrus, "The Climb" being my ONLY exception, and ONLY when it is sung by our choir which I am in, Justin Beiber (Who doesn't? You either love him or hate him!) and various other things, such as Katy Perry's newer stuff, like "California Girls", it makes me want to jam my ears with rusty knives...

My theory on "love metal": by inventing a new genre name for your music, instantly anything, no matter how dull, uninteresting, lackluster, or contrived instantly becomes "new", "novel", "interesting", "artistic", and "innovative", thus instantly marketable to the gullible masses curious to see what all the fuss is about.
Therefore, HIM and their new "scene of one" have become one of the bigger marketing scams the alternative music scene has encountered over the past couple decades.

And back to my contempt for Aural Vampire, the story of "no goths at the Merzbow concert" only serves to fuel my despair over how utterly shallow this young scene is becoming, enough to make me want to call it quits on this scene altogether......
True enough, Merzbow have nothing to do with the goth rock scene, and their highly unpleasant waves of surrealistic audio terrorism would probably be unpalatable to those accustomed to more accessible forms of music.
You see, Masami Akita was the pioneer of Japanese noise music, but nonetheless had a HUGE influence on the foreign industrial music scene, to the extent that Throbbing Gristle, Nurse With Wound, Coil, and SPK had. However, while a good portion of his music lacks conventional structure or melody, his collection of nightmarish sound collages are some of the darker and more terrifying sounds to have been produced on this island within the last 30 years. FAR darker than what passes for the "Japanese goth scene" nowadays.
However, I should know by now that the younger generation does not get into this scene for the dark music, nor the occult lifestyle, but for the fashion and nothing more.......
Therefore Aural Vampire and their formula of pop-idol vocals squeaking away to Nintendo music are far more marketable to this demographic.
This did not stop me from being utterly ashamed when it turned out I was the only one in black who went to see Merzbow...... sadly I can't stop thinking the situation would be changed if he took pictures of himself slathered in doll makeup, dressed in frills, and posted them on huge posters with some flashy background graphics