The devious bastard!

This is probably my overall favourite. The evil bastard, that car crash was caused by God and he was saved from death by liberal faggot doctors who allowed him to survive despite existing with less arms than our Lord intended. Or something.

Alice never dared something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9nGyPz9uT0 (safe humor, but sick.)

God did it! Run away! Run away! http://new.uk.music.yahoo.com/blogs/shortlists/6/musics-greatest-injuries/

-LS

a little cum-lately in the subject, but......

Generally, I don't get offended by political statements like i used to when I was younger.

When it comes to musicians supporting far right racist ideals, such as artists from the Slavonic black metal scene, or a select few from the neofolk/martial industrial scene(H.E.R.R. being the only one I can think of from the top of my head), it's usually so minute as to not really have any influence over the main body of the art itself.

In fact, most groups like Burzum or Graveland often put the main focus of their music on culture, pagan spirituality, and the like, while their racist undertones remain rather sublime, and only one well-versed in the history of the scene would be able to spot them.
And if any bands from said scenes ARE upfront and racist, well usually said message is so absurdly stupid and ridiculously childish, the message pretty much defeats itself, especially if these "musicians" are so dumb as to make their music available to the public.

On the opposite side, I disagree with artists who also support PETA and the like, such as Sopor Aeternus, Faith and the Muse, or Skinny Puppy, but that's their view and I'm not really bothered about it. I have MANY friends who are vegan, even though I am not.

To me, animals have just as much right to live as people. ALL life is precious to me. However, on the flipside, people are also animals, and have just as much right to eat meat to survive as wolves and lions.
It IS sad we've gone from "hunting to survive" to having our meal killed by the masses in factories for our leisurely gourmet pleasure(I used to work in a slaughterhouse, and have witnessed horrors that nearly turned me over to the v-side, which is why I quit).
I think we have also the luxury of choice, however. I still eat meat, but try to maintain a natural balance and equilibrium with my choice of food.
As Peter Spilles(Project Pitchfork) said in an interview, "why the hell would I want to force vegetarianism on starving people in Africa??"

Says you. Goth isn't about religion or politics so someone can be whatever they want and still be gother than thou. Subcultures that try and adopt a set of politics die out pretty quickly just ask the punk rockers and skinheads.

-- Fri May 14, 2010 12:52 am --



Heh, cute. I am not a Christian and I think that site is stupid.

Once again, I do not hate gay people I just disagree with the act of homosexuality. You and others can agree or disagree with that but it does not change anything.

-- Fri May 14, 2010 3:01 am --



I agree with all of this but just for different reasons. I seperate pro-white bands into two groups, reactionary and intellectual. I really can't stand the reactionary stuff with bands that seem to get off on saying the "N-word" (because we're in kindergarden) left and right and getting a buzz off singing about fighting in the streets. I like more of the intellectual bands, bands who use such obscure referneces and samples I have to spend a great deal of time looking it up and trying to figure it out. Its a labor of love. I also like the more high brow intellectual stuff because rather than focus on the negative the music instead takes me to an atmosphere resembling old europe. While the reactionary stuff can be great for letting off steam I think more often than not it hurts it's Cause more so than helps it.

Oh the other side of the fence, I can honestly say that those insane ultra left-wing punk bands play some of the best punk rock in existance. Like I said sometimes you just gotta leave politics at the door and enjoy the music. If you are secure in your stances it isn't so hard.

Now I need to go old HERR's last album.

Punk subculture is not only still around but has actually become more unified because of political ideology.

Aslo true for Skinheads! ^_^

Generally when I listen to dark/schwarze/goth related music, which in my view definitely includes black metal and neofolk, I listen to music more for the spiritual/romantic element of it and really have no time for childish mundane ideas like race or racism.

The reason I can still enjoy music such as Graveland or HERR, is because I don't really NEED to care if they're "pro-white" or not, because that's not the main focus. Obviously if I read some of the liner notes or symbols on the CD artwork, it's not hard to know what they're all about, but that's just the thing...... it's there if you LOOK for it, but the main focus is pagan spiritualism and pagan culture, neither of which have anything to do with such physical delusions as race.

Black metal and neofolk remain, on a whole, extensions of the occult artform, and it's the occult movement I support, not petty HUMAN traits such as bigotry, the ultimate anti-romantic trait.

I totally agree... before I buy any music these days I always do a quick Wikipedia search (not 100% accurate, I know, but it usually gives a general overview)... I like to know a little about the people that are getting my money (the whole scandal with R. Kelly means I cannot even listen to his music anymore, even though he was found not guilty, just the fact there was enough for him to be charged and taken to court just doesn't sit right with me )

This is probably repetitious, but it bears repeating, even if it's a purely personal statement and certainly not applicable to anyone else:

I really don't care what a musician is or does in his 'off time'. He can stump for PETA, light candles in front of pictures of Mao or Hugo Chavez, practice Nazi salutes in front of his mirror naked, sacrifice a goat to Satan, attend Democrat fundraisers, whatever...but if they get all in my face with it in their music over and over again, they will lose me as a listener quick.

Now, everyone here by this time is familiar with my political proclivities, but to be honest, if a band were to start using their music to very unsubtly stump for a conservative ideology, I'd very quickly become JUST as annoyed, and soon stop listening too. It's NOT what I listen to music for!

I get my political education elsewhere, and let's face it, most rock musicians are semi-literate dopes that can't tell their butts from a broom-handle anyhow, and are completely at sea once outside of the one field where they show true mastery...music.

Annwn, I guess the semi-literate part depends on what musicians you're listening to!

Minty, I do that as well. So long as someone's not molestinng kids(R.Kelly!) And getting off for it, or supporting nazi bonehead affiliations with their money, then I will still listen to their music. Although the whole reason I stay away from Black Metal(mostly) is because I don't want the bother of having to sort through the ones that are or aren't racist.

I know it's a satire, but have you ever seen 'Spinal Tap'?

Every time I hear one of these guys interviewed I think of that movie.

There's a reason I stopped talking to bands after gigs.

There's also a reason I decided to quit dating musicians whose whole lives revolve around their band. Even if their band sucks.

-- Fri May 14, 2010 11:23 am --



Have you ever seen a Monty Python movie? Those Brits are some weird people!

See how that works? You can't base criticism on a satire.

Weird? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD3X2xdk1wI (NSFW! - Little Britain)