Native Americans: Should They Change?
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Calliope Aisha Cassandra
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Funeral, I didn't mean to offend you and flame is definitely not my style. I only wish you realized what I wrote above... Quote: Did you know that there is a region in northern Italy populated by a germanic minority where the special status of the region grants the school system to teach both italian and the original language of aborigenal population? This grants integration in the Italian social system by preserving the cultural inheritance of a recognized minority... a pity not all minorities were granted that right... we are running in circles around the same concept if I get you right ^_^, I was simply pointing out that it's not a choice native americans made that of being closed in reservations.
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| Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:02 am |
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Funeral Party
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NightLight wrote: Funeral, I didn't mean to offend you and flame is definitely not my style. I only wish you realized what I wrote above... Quote: Did you know that there is a region in northern Italy populated by a germanic minority where the special status of the region grants the school system to teach both italian and the original language of aborigenal population? This grants integration in the Italian social system by preserving the cultural inheritance of a recognized minority... a pity not all minorities were granted that right... we are running in circles around the same concept if I get you right ^_^, I was simply pointing out that it's not a choice native americans made that of being closed in reservations. Well if they are being forced to live in reservations that isn't a good thing at all. Likewise if they choose to live in reservations, they shouldn't be punished for one's choice. I am in no way saying that they shouldall just conform to U.S. society. I just find that living seperately from everyone else isn't the only way to preserve a culture. When I look at reservations, I mostly see living conditions worse than the rest of the country and think perhaps their might be another way of preserving their culture that won't make their standard of living so low. As for Italy it does seem unfair that one minority group gets special rights while another doesn't. Why do Germanic people's get recognition while Celtic ones don't? (Though my guess would be because the Germanic nations of Europe have more diplomatic power than Celtic nations in regards to dealing with Italy, which isn't an excuse, but might suggest that the Italian government only cares about minorities when it benefit's them) Of coure I am not that familiar with how things in Italy work so I could be way off base.
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| Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:47 am |
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Calliope Aisha Cassandra
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Funeral Party wrote: Well if they are being forced to live in reservations that isn't a good thing at all. Likewise if they choose to live in reservations, they shouldn't be punished for one's choice. I am in no way saying that they shouldall just conform to U.S. society. I just find that living seperately from everyone else isn't the only way to preserve a culture. When I look at reservations, I mostly see living conditions worse than the rest of the country and think perhaps their might be another way of preserving their culture that won't make their standard of living so low. I see your point, and yes we were running around in circles saying the same thing... natives should indeed be granted more rights and reservations should turn into what they feel is right for them instead of something forced onto them by an ancient pact that wasn't respected by the governement in the first place, or better, was too litterally respected... Funeral Party wrote: As for Italy it does seem unfair that one minority group gets special rights while another doesn't. Why do Germanic people's get recognition while Celtic ones don't? (Though my guess would be because the Germanic nations of Europe have more diplomatic power than Celtic nations in regards to dealing with Italy, which isn't an excuse, but might suggest that the Italian government only cares about minorities when it benefit's them) Of coure I am not that familiar with how things in Italy work so I could be way off base. As I said, the Celt inheritage has ALMOST gone forgotten, meaning that appart from our dialect (which is actually a Language and not a dialect) and our music there's nothing else left to us to remember our origines, but trust me, we're very stubborn and we cling to that in ways noone can even immagine XD
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| Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:56 am |
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tazzanimal
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Puck the WaltzQueen wrote: Europeans have been eating away at the Nature American culture scince they first set foot here. If they can't let them do what they want then We seriously need to get slapped. Let them have their culture it's not ours to take away from them. People need to back off. I agree... -- Fri May 21, 2010 6:51 pm -- laughingcrow wrote: Very few of these tribes are actually living their native cultures (Blackfoot reservation is near where I live so I see it daily)...my grandmother is half Pequot (a tribe from Connecticut). All she wants is the okay to smoke peyote...long rant short here but I think no one ought to be forced to do anything. If it is their [the Native Americans] wish to stay on their lands, let them. I don't want to see anyone forced to assimilate more than they already have. In my final opinion, what was done is done. Why continue to punish people for the sins their ancestors committed a hundred years ago? A few of my ancestors did keep slaves...so should I be thrown in prison for their mistake? No. I'll just keep paying taxes out the wazoo so their descendants don't have to work. Reverse slavery maybe?
LC That was racist at the end to say.
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| Fri May 21, 2010 1:46 pm |
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Blackavar
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Being English, I know very little first hand about native Americans. Of course, we covered it in History at school, and the teacher did a good job too- it was also one of the best History topics we did, it was truly fascinating. But yeah, what I'm saying here is, I know only basic things (not what was taught to me by tacky TV shows) so if I say something that seems to be wrong, then just nudge me in the right direction, I may well have it wrong.
But yeah. Its a shame they are a minority now, and I think they should be allowed to live on reservations and live traditionally. Its their culture, and even if it is a minority culture now, it has survived what was basically an attempt of purging it. I mean, why can't they live their ways? Do people get this up and arms about Amish communities seperating themselves from "mainstream" society? And for people to be so blunt and rude about Native Americans just sort of annoys me, because they tend to be the ignorant ones, who don't realise that they are probably of European descendant (in the case of white people of course).
On a lighter note, I find it slightly depressing that the most apparently accurate depiction of a native American in popular culture in recent years has been in Twilight >.< Stupid paedo-werewolves aside, when I was forced to watch the movie, I found Jacob and his father (?) the most likeable, normal, not-retarded people in the whole film, and apart from the obvious issue of skin colour, they seemed just like "regular" people in that sense (drinking beers, watching baseball, embarressing their kids etc).
Uggh, I made a positive comment about Twilight, I FEEL UNCLEAN!!!
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