AARRR, last night I was flicking round the music channels and on Karrang tv they had goth v nu metal ??? #(

I would like to say that I had gotten things mixed up but for the nu metal they were playing things like Linkin park and limp bizkit and korn, even less goth that the 'goth' they played which was..
Evenesance (spelling :i )
HIM
Marylin Manson (surprise surprise)
The Rasmus

Ok, I wasnt expecting much from Karrang tv but I mean come on...the rasmus !!!!

I remember reading Kerrang magazine back when it wasn't the glossy mainstream music magazine it is today, and even then they got Goth completely wrong. Rock Sound magazine was (is?) much better with knowledge of various genre distinctions, and they even had a specific "Darkwave" section. Alright, so the Darkwave section was just where they dumped ALL the Goth stuff, at least it was seperate from the Metal section.

As for that Kerrang TV thing, the only band anywhere vaguely near being Goth was Evanescence. The strange thing is I distinctly remember seeing the video for "Temple of Love" by the Sisters on Kerrang TV about a year or two ago.

Well. Who won?

Anyways. Thats wrong but I guess thats what alot of people thinks these days. Hell I thought that way too. I guess theres nothing we can do about it. If they think it's goth let them it shouldn't bother you, it doesn't bother me. They can like what they like. B)

In the last year or so in the magazine they've had 'goth' articles with a list of 'nu goth' bands you should check out that included Cradle of Filth, Evanscence, HIM and The Rasmus. They're always getting it wrong. But the Kerrang is rubbish anyway, it covers way too much pop metal and aggro rock and why does rap always seem to be in it? I stopped buying music magazines years ago, well except for Meltdown, which isn't made anymore, and the only magazines I buy now are Dr Who magazine and Neo.

I dunno, for music magazines I still like buying Industrialnation, as well as some german gothic magazines like Orkus(although I can`t read them, I buy them mostly for the pictures and free cds).

But anything involving Kerrang usually appeals to the MTV/nu-metal crowd, so I wouldn`t be surprised they know absolutely nothing about goth. It just really pisses me off though, how totally ignorant the average mainstream-minded person truly is when it comes to music... I truly wish Nu-metal NEVER saw the light of day, but even if I could go back in time and murder every member of Korn, it would happen nonetheless....

Why does it bother you all so much that other people think nu-metal is goth? You all shouldn't care. And also it's not the bands fault that people started classifying them as goth is it? I think nu-metal isn't that bad. But whatever.

Since the subculture is based upon music, a misunderstanding of what goth music is leads only to a misunderstanding of what the subculture is. Given that the goth subculture is already subjected to a myriad of misconceptions regarding behavior, religion, and violence, it is understandable that many members of the subculture would rather not encourage further misunderstanding.

Of course, the irritation may not be that complex for some people. In truth, there are simply many people who take pride in their own individual tastes -- music credibility, so to speak. If a person's pride in their own music credibility is based upon a knowledge of goth and an identification with the goth subculture, that person is likely to going to be a bit put off by being lumped in with an entirely different musical scene -- especially if that person doesn't like the genre they're being identified with.

Scarlett hit the nail on the head. To some people it can be as bad as someone misjudging their religious beliefs or politics or whatever. Some people it can lead to violence, if people assume you listen to stuff like Slipknot or Manson in some areas around where I live they'll beat the shit out of you. I've had 'friends' suddenly turn their backs on me because of their being misinformed that goth is 'evil death shit', but then they can't be very good friends if they've known me for so long and then suddenly believe a load of bullshit that a magazine told them, that and friends shouldn't hate each other over something as superficial as music anyway.

I saw that program and I think it was hilarious! Firstly, Evanescence is nu-metal(I don't have to point out the irony in that, do I?). Secondly, none of the bands listed as goth are from the same genre. I mean, really, Marilyn Manson is Industrial metal while The Rasmus is pop. What kind of an idiot could think they belong in the same genre?
When people misinformed people say that NIN & Marilyn Manson are goth, atleast they are being consistent, but HIM and Evanescence? HIM didn't even look like goths in the video they chose. What adds to the joke is that I've seen The Cure and Sisters videos on Kerrang! Oh, the Irony!!!:b

...and goth rock isn't the only music genre that suffers under the mainstream media. Remembering that such bands as Blink 182, the offspring and others are now described as "punk", and they're a long way off from the Sex Pistols and the like. That actually irritates me and I don't really listen to any.

Then even without the media, there's this misunderstanding just from the people around (well, this is from my experience, and from hearing other posts around and about, I'm sure it's not a one off). The word "deathrock" can't be mentioned without people from all sides saying different metal bands while making wrist slitting actions. In fact, "goth" tends to be followed by growling and wrist slitting pretence.

It's just so annoying that they don't even get close to getting it right. Can't really get too much further wrong than the rasmus....(unless you actually really tried).

- skimp

Well, I do have some tolerance for some peoples` misunderstandings, but nu-metal is one of those genres that takes the cake.....
Not only (and the first point is pure personal opinion based on taste) is it really a simplistic and unimaginative style of music with highly immature, naive, and teenage subject matter, but simulateously it`s used as a misleading example to define goth, metal, and even at times industrial, being a complete slap in the face and insult to genuine artists and fans of those three styles.
I`d say goth is a bit more broad than the other two, but I`d say gothic music is defined by it`s dark atmosphere and artistic tastefulness, as well as leanings towards romanticism.....

As said before, it`s like Green Day being called punk. Any true punk would be outright offended.

I don`t have a problem if people like nu-metal, but please, PLEASE don`t associate it with gothic, metal, or industrial music, because it has nothing to do with any of these!!!

I don't listen to what people tell me anymore. I used to care about genres, but then I realized:

1) Genres are too complicated. What the fuck is math metal? It's really getting out of hand, bands can fit into like 3534643 genres now.

2) No one agrees on what goes in which genre. If I say Tool is art rock, someone will say they are progressive, another will say math metal, another will say alternative....goddamn.

3) Genres serve no purpose to me. Other than the fact that they provide arguments, which I've given up on. Everyone is too stubborn.

All I know is, if I like it, I like it. If I don't, I don't. Those are my genres. Like and Dislike.

I know everyone cares about nu metal being labelled as goth metal, but come on- if you know what goth metal is and you enjoy it, why should you care? I think that liking the music is what matters, not arguing over what genre something is. It's getting ridiculous.

No they're not.....

And bluenaveed what you're arguing about is finicky subgenres. We're just discussing obvious things like calling a pop band punk and the like. It's one thing to argue over all these various metal genres but that doesn't really compare to saying something like Eminem isn't classical or Britney Spears isn't jazz. Most people don't let genres control their music tastes anyway, it's only people who are obsessed with trying to fit into a scene that seem to care. Discussing the genre of the band has no reflection on whetehr you like them or not.

exactly.....

Music matters to those who feel deeply about it. Usually people fall into two categories with music, the average person who thinks of music as merely entertainment, and those who see it as an artform, and something to take seriously. Most goths, since goth is a MUSICAL subculture just like punk and metal, tend to take music seriously. We can`t be pissed off at those who don`t feel passionate about music, because music may just not be their thing, but I ask for them to be respectful to those of us who do.....

And most of us are just plain tired of mainstream ignorance and misinformation as well.
There`s countless original and talented bands out there who put their heart and soul into creating dark art through music, and when newcomers try looking for it, the mainstream points them towards gangs of clowns playing single note mosh riffs and screaming.

You know Eva-whatever isn't goth. I know they're not goth. However, not everyone does, and chances are good the people that don't know will not change their mind due to anything you or I say. It's pointless, and I guess maybe that was more of what I was getting at. A majority of people are ignorant when it comes to music, but we can't stop that. Let them call Eva goth, it's what you know and feel that counts, not what their dumbasses believe.