Apology accepted.


And it is not the media's fault.
It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the media to leak information like that. So don't blame some ephemeral "liberal media" for doing their job. Maybe if the MP's who were charged weren't a bunch of fucking redneck barbarians, then that mess would have never broke the wire. So let's not go bleeding camo and sweeping the misdeeds of the military under the rug in favor of hollering about the so-called "liberal media".

And I sincerely doubt that the press in the Arab world would have not found out about that and leaked it all over Al-Jazeera first.

Americans abusing prisoners (not the guilty, per se, just people who were being held) isn't going to ever stay a secret for long.


Regardless, the Abu Gharib prison scandal has nothing to do with the actions of Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda could care less about the Iraqi's except perhaps using them as an opportunity to kill more non-Arabs.



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Oh so letting the american citizens what is happening elsewhere, that their brothers and other relatives are up to, or could be doing is now wrong is it?

You don't think that they and everyone else had a right to know what happened in that prison?

How would you feel if the terrorist acts perpetrated upon American citizens were hidden from us?

Funny you should say that, my friend.

I know this is a bit off topic, but considering I recieved this in an email at the very moment I read your post, I thought it too serendipitous to pass up:



Hmmm.... hiding terrorist activities from us, you say? How very interesting.

And you know how I feel? Not even a little surprised...

Captain Nevarre

Yeah, I read that today, as well. And no, I'm not surprised. Given this administration's seeming willingness to rewrite our perception of reality as they see fit and with what we know of Ashcroft's personal view of what is best for America, this sort of supression is to be expected.

It is also why it is imperative that those who devote their lives to reporting the news do so in all instances, heedless of the criticism of those who want a partisan view of the world proliferated. The Abu Ghraib prison torture needed to be reported. The hideous murder of any and all persons by al Qaida and all other terrorist factions needs to be reported. Clinton's lie under oath needed to be reported. The lies of the Bush administration need to be reported. We have a right to know the truth.

I can't even imagine how somoeone could think that it was OK to suppress and skew the press. Much as the State must be kept seperate from the Church, so must it be divorced from the Free Press. Government is supposed to support us and keep us safe, not dictate our lives as though we are unruly children and it is a sadistically stringent parent. We don't need Big Brother looking out for us, thank you very much.

More news on beheadings, this time in Afghanistan

After a translator working for the US as well as an Afghan soldier were beheaded by Taliban forces, the Afghan military responded...by capturing, and beheading, four Taliban fighters.

Maybe this is a message that will get through.

Full story--From alternet, no less

SS

At this rate, no one in the Middle East will have heads...





~blood rose~

what is up with the Middle East and cutting people's heads off? ???

No, it really doesn't.
Just because your opponents are monstrous pieces of filth doesn't mean one's own morality get to be adjusted in balance to that.

Drain the swamps and the mosquitos will disappear.

It's about high time we actually looked at what causes terrorists to do the things that they do.. get into their minds, so-to-speak to see what makes them tick. They hate America. OK then, shall we take a look back and actually see the kind of things our government has been doing?

* Attempting to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments.

* Unprovoked military invasion of some 20 sovereign nations.

* Working to crush more than 30 populist movements which were fighting against dictatorial regimes.

* Providing indispensable support to a small army of brutal dictatorships: Mobutu of Zaire, Pinochet of Chile, Duvalier of Haiti, Somoza of Nicaragua, the Greek junta, Marcos of the Philippines, Rhee of Korea, the Shah of Iran, 40 years of military dictators in Guatemala, Suharto of Indonesia, Hussein of Iraq, the Brazilian junta, Trujillo of the Dominican Republic, the Taliban of Afghanistan, and others.

* Dropping powerful bombs on the people of about 25 countries, including 40 consecutive days and nights in Iraq, 78 days and nights in Yugoslavia, and several months in Afghanistan, all three of these countries having met the first requirement as an American bombing target -- being completely defenseless. And not once ever has the United States come even close to repairing the great damage caused by its bombings. Afghanistan and Iraq are of course the latest examples.

* Increasing use of depleted uranium, one of the most despicable weapons ever designed by mankind, which produces grossly deformed babies amongst its many endearing qualities, and which, in a civilized world not intimidated by the United States, would be categorically banned.

* Repeated use of cluster bombs, another fiendish device designed by a mad scientist, which has robbed numerous young people of one or more limbs, and some of their eyesight, and continues to do so every day in many countries as the bombs remain on the ground.

* Assassination attempts on the lives of some 40 foreign political leaders.

* Crude interference in dozens of foreign democratic elections.

* Gross manipulation of labor movements.

* Shameless manufacture of "news", the disinformation effect of which is multiplied when CIA assets in other countries pick up the same stories.

* Training of death squads at the School of the Americas in Georgia (a lot of them in Latin & South America)

* Encouragement of drug trafficking in various parts of the world when it served the CIA's purposes.

* Causing grievous harm to the health and well-being of the world's masses by turning the screws of the IMF, World Bank, WTO, and other international financial institutions, as well as by imposing unmerciful sanctions and embargoes.

And there's tons more than that.

Gee, it's no wonder people in the world hate us. We fuck with people who mostly can't fuck back, and when someone does, we're surprised about this. (Britain and Europe have been dealing with terrorism for decades and they haven't gone so overboard as we have with the fascistic laws appearing here like the PATRIOT Act.)

Most Americans have this parochial, I-Don't-Care-What-Happens-Outside-My-Country attitude. I think most of our leaders and governments honestly just don't think of the consequences of their actions.

If we want terrorists to go away, we must abandon these self-defeating practices of Big American Business muscling it's way everywhere (yes, that is what it all boils down to.. Big Business dictating our foreign policy and fucking the economies of other places.)

I close with this passage from Major General Smedly D. Butler:
"It may seem odd for me, a military man, to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent 33 years and 4 months in active service as a member of our country's most agile military force--the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from a second lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical of everyone in the military service. Thus I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-12. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras "right" for American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."

Link for the information above was obtained from here

Another hostage was beheaded yesterday. This time someone from my country. Don't know who's wrong and who's right but i just hate war.

The war on terror is going to go on for a loooooooong time. We will not stop until we have completely obliterated every Al Qaeda cell... those rats are hiding in almost every country and need to be dug out. :S

I have news for you; Rats breed.

Anyways, hasn't anyone ever seen Red Dawn? If the situation was reversed how many Americans would actually go and do the same thing?
It's not a justification just a sick reality of human behavior.



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It had better be about more than al Qaida.

Either we are at war against all terrorists, both abroad and at home, regardless of their affiliation or goals, or we are massive hypocrites. If our only target is al Qaida, then we are not fighting a war, we are seeking revenge; and where I come from, revenge is the refuge of the violent and the cowardly.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war." --Plato