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 Techno or Industrial? - Define the difference. 
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Deamon Slayer wrote:
Hey I know this has nothing to do with what the topic here is but people seem to dismissing Evanscence because they think it's Christian rock and I do agree that they are a little too Christianic because I'm actually a Pagan not a Christian but I still like Evanescence (fav. Imaginary) along with the other bands like Siouxsie and the banshees and I don't think Evanescence is that bad in fact I use to like them before they even got popular. Damn that was a long run-on sentence! Well I have their album Fallen and I've heard it all and I'd say those song are sophisticated enough to be called goth. I know that for the normal idiots that like her just because she's famous do not care for anything else but the sound it makes. That's why I hate Heavy Metal.

Ugh.........stop it!!!!!!!!!!!!! That band is doing nothing that hassn't been done before by better musicians. Hijacking topics is rude.


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djVampira wrote:
Ugh.........stop it!!!!!!!!!!!!! That band is doing nothing that hassn't been done before by better musicians. Hijacking topics is rude.

I agree, djVampira

What does Evanscence have to do with Techno and Industrial music?

That band is not Techno, Industrial, Goth, or Christian Rock. Yes, I agree they have the goth look sometimes and the "christian-sounding" song titles (ex. "Give Unto Me" and "Exodus"), but they use these as a marketing tools to sell their music and the have vast legions of fans to attend their concerts.

In interviews they themselves say that they are not a goth band or a christian rock band. What they are good at is presenting themselves as something that they are not.

My apologies to the moderators and to the forum for getting off topic.

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Anyone heard of InfeKKtion?

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I'm not going to go on about industrial (read all the other posts) but I will say a bit about techno.

All the electronica that has been talked about seems to just be the radio-friendly commercial stuff (just like how some people hear stuff like fear factory, Rammstein etc and say "that's what industrial sounds like" when the're not totally correct)

There are a lot of techno artists that actually play live (I can't remember names, because I saw a lot of it in a docco). Experimentation exists inside electronica, otherwise how else would deep-trance etc have emerged.

Both industrial and techno have a tendency to be stuck in a timewarp: using exclusively old analogue gear and shunning digital (not allways the case...as always)

Genesis P 'oridge (throbbing gristle) was both one of the pioneers of industrial and also 'acid house' (yes one of the many industrial artists that have done techno)...and I think what I've written may make no sense, so I'll stop.

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This may be considered nitpicking, but techno is just one subgenre of electronica, among others such as house, drum & bass, IDM, breaks, etc. As such, acid house is not techno, it's house. Trance is sometimes listed as a further subgenre of techno and sometimes not. I'm no expert on this, just pointing out that "techno" and "electronica" do not mean the same thing.


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Techno music has a lot of those synth sounds that are like, "bop bop bop" or "blip"... Hard to describe, but I always think of techno in terms of B sounds. Boom Boom bop bop... And also, most techno songs I've heard lately have been in in major keys.

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Industrial is music usually with sharp beats with an orchestration of machinery to back it up.

You want techno, make a song on Sound Club.


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Vivisector wrote:
Seriously, you know shit all about industrial music. Guitars are almost always included?!?!!

Here's a short list of industrial bands without guitar:
SPK
Throbbing Gristle
Clock DVA
Nurse With Wound
Front 242
Wumpscut
Leather Strip
Android Lust
The first half of Skinny Puppy's catalogue
Nitzer Ebb
Das Ich
Aghast View
Coil
Cyberaktif
Digital Poodle
Download
Einsturzende Neubauten
Haujobb
Hocico
Klinik
Convertor
Noisex
Plateau
Rx
Severed Heads
Terrorfakt
Zoviet France
Dead Voices On Air
Terminal Sect

This post brought to you by Vivisector. Proudly smacking down clueless newbs on Goth.net since March 19, 2002.

I have a few questions related to topic of music genre as well. First of, you listed Android Lust as an Industrial band. And although I'm not disagreeing with that fact that Android Lust is a Industrial band, I was just wondering, the band is part of the Projekt label and they advertise Darkwave music. So is Android Lust Darkwave or Industrial? It's just that get so confused easily with all these different names. Like what exactly is the difference between Black Metal and Doom Metal? And now I'm hearing of something called Folk Goth. Could anyone enlighten me on some of the differences of all these genres?

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MyDarlingDemented wrote:
Vivisector wrote:
Seriously, you know shit all about industrial music. Guitars are almost always included?!?!!

Here's a short list of industrial bands without guitar:
SPK
Throbbing Gristle
Clock DVA
Nurse With Wound
Front 242
Wumpscut
Leather Strip
Android Lust
The first half of Skinny Puppy's catalogue
Nitzer Ebb
Das Ich
Aghast View
Coil
Cyberaktif
Digital Poodle
Download
Einsturzende Neubauten
Haujobb
Hocico
Klinik
Convertor
Noisex
Plateau
Rx
Severed Heads
Terrorfakt
Zoviet France
Dead Voices On Air
Terminal Sect

This post brought to you by Vivisector. Proudly smacking down clueless newbs on Goth.net since March 19, 2002.

I have a few questions related to topic of music genre as well. First of, you listed Android Lust as an Industrial band. And although I'm not disagreeing with that fact that Android Lust is a Industrial band, I was just wondering, the band is part of the Projekt label and they advertise Darkwave music. So is Android Lust Darkwave or Industrial? It's just that get so confused easily with all these different names. Like what exactly is the difference between Black Metal and Doom Metal? And now I'm hearing of something called Folk Goth. Could anyone enlighten me on some of the differences of all these genres?

-Alex-

I second that! But maybe it should have been in another thread? I don't know...

Oh, and Einsturzende Neubauten uses guitars ;-)

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Vivisector wrote:
Electroretro wrote:
There´s a lot of differences but they´re related, the industrial its more dark and the music have more complex lirycs (sometimes) and the guitars are allmost allways included but theres a exception in the rule, some techno music could sound like industrial.

I hope i wasnt offend anybody that likes TEchno.

excuse my english Ciao......

WTF.

Seriously, you know shit all about industrial music. Guitars are almost always included?!?!!

Here's a short list of industrial bands without guitar:
SPK
Throbbing Gristle
Clock DVA
Nurse With Wound
Front 242
Wumpscut
Leather Strip
Android Lust
The first half of Skinny Puppy's catalogue
Nitzer Ebb
Das Ich
Aghast View
Coil
Cyberaktif
Digital Poodle
Download
Einsturzende Neubauten
Haujobb
Hocico
Klinik
Convertor
Noisex
Plateau
Rx
Severed Heads
Terrorfakt
Zoviet France
Dead Voices On Air
Terminal Sect

This post brought to you by Vivisector. Proudly smacking down clueless newbs on Goth.net since March 19, 2002.

*continued list*
Bagman
Bigod 20
Biopsy
C-Tec
Cabaret Voltaire (Most)
Fad Gadget
Feindflug
Hanin Elias
Imperative Reaction
Moev
Noise Unit
Pulse Legion
Recoil
Renegade Soundwave
Second Layer
Stereotaxic Device
Tactical Sekt

ah i think i've named enough that viv missed
hehe

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sadistix: When you quote a post as long as that you really should cut it down first to an appropriate size or not quote at all. Just quote the relevent bits.

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Hoping that I don't get my head bitten off for bringing up a slightly stale topic, I'll post my own views.
I second that, blckencht. Another thing that kind of irks me is when somebody quotes the person who posted right before them; sometimes more than just one sentence too, even the entire paragraph. It's rather pointless- the thing has just been said, why repeat it again? Nobody's forgotten what you're talking about yet.
Whoa, did all that make sense, really? Oh well, I know what I mean. Back to the original topic...
How would you guys classify the following bands:
-Front242
-Velvet Acid Christ
-Decoded Feedback
-Suicide Commando
-Bunnydrums
-Faith and the Muse
-Hanzel and Gretyl
-Kmfdm
-Juno Reactor
-Haujobb
-Assemblage23
-Fictional
-Covenant
Sorry if any of them have been discussed earlier, I haven't read through all the lists yet.
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Note: after going back and looking through Vivi's original list, I scratch off Front242 from mine. If they're industrial though, I'm guessing many of the other's above are too.
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Gah! What is it with people and saying "techno" !? Its Electronica. That is not EBM, Cyber-Punk or Industrial. Its Electronica! Ugh. And! Some bands can sing or have every one of those, But it's dificult ehehehe. Not Really. So someone go check out a couple of bands for me?
1. http://www.dopestarsinc.com
DSI is a good band. nice people. Join the Theta Devision Army! :D
2. http://www.rosesaredead.com
RAD, another good band from Georgia! Yey. Its mostly Brek, but he's cool about everything sooo go check them out for me too -wink-

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cat wrote:
Gah! What is it with people and saying "techno" !? Its Electronica. That is not EBM, Cyber-Punk or Industrial. Its Electronica! Ugh. And! Some bands can sing or have every one of those, But it's dificult ehehehe. Not Really. So someone go check out a couple of bands for me?
1. http://www.dopestarsinc.com
DSI is a good band. nice people. Join the Theta Devision Army! :D
2. http://www.rosesaredead.com
RAD, another good band from Georgia! Yey. Its mostly Brek, but he's cool about everything sooo go check them out for me too -wink-

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First of all I would like to say that I had a hard time understanding your post. Second, there is a huge huge difference between electronica, techno and industrial...

Try listening to some Tromsø- or Bergenwave electronica, and you will understand what this genre of music sounds like...

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