It is morally RIGHT to uphold the concept of freedom of religion in this nation.

It is morally RIGHT to acknowledge that American Muslims should not be demonized nor held accountable for the actions of terrorists who attacked this nation.

It is morally RIGHT to acknowledge that the people building this center, while Muslim, also happen to be U.S. citizens. Like Corporal Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan

To be "offended" by people such as Corporal Khan is a disgrace.

So don't talk to me about morality. The protests against the community center have nothing to do with morality. They have everything to do with fear and hate.

EDIT:



That's cool with me, if Greg Gutfeld (or anyone else) wants to build a gay bar next to the community center. More fun for all.

-- Nephele

I think trying to associate with the YMCA is enough to raise the implications. Seriously though, if they're Muslim in the USA and willing to allow that their choice of name is potentially offensive and then change it this suggests that they're integrated enough in western society to just not care.

No, those two fools are the ones the Right hope fall for the trick.

Just how far away would one have to get from Ground Zero in order to be "polite about it"?

Ann Coulter could have 20 PhD's from the top 20 universities in America, that wouldn't make what she says about politics and less asinine to anyone with the slightest shred of critical thought.

Honestly, that woman doesn't deserve the attention that she gets.

As for Anne Coulter - being book smart does not make you intelligent.


As for the mosque - I am with sgath92. If they can't build in their proposed location then where will it stop? What if they move it 3 blocks away, or 4, or 20 - I think no matter how far it is, if it is on the isle of Manhattan (or in NYC for that matter) I think the right wing nutjobs are still going to try and make an issue about it.

And in the interest of tolerance and all that jazz, I would be happy to see a gay bar open next to the center. At least that would mean one less empty storefront in that neighborhood and a potential for economic growth.

~spidey

FINALLY a group who understands! I think the Muslims have every right to build that mosque there, and I am glad that the president (and Keith Olberman) supports it. A mosque is a place of worship and peace. Although some nutjobs might, I highly doubt they're going to be planning an "attack on america" in there. They'd be too busy praying.

I hate turning on the TV now because all they talk about is how "wrong" it all is. And now some crazy pastor is having a "Burn a Koran" day on 9/11 at his church.

I rather liked this bit from the Cracked article that Arq posted.


You Can’t Simultaneously Acknowledge A Right And Insist That Your Government Suppress It

Sorry so late on this topic:

I suppose after watching the video I felt a need to respond since what he talked about (The pipe bomb in the Islamic mosque) happened in my city and I actually remember that being on the news here and was very upset about it that it was barely given air space just a quick couple minutes really.

I do have to say that I agree with Keith Olbermann and fully and completely applaud his speech.

It is not religion that causes hate- it is people who follow religion that causes hate for others - and this goes to all religions and it needs to end.

I have not read this entire thread yet, but I plan on doing that now- however I wanted to go ahead and give my opinion on this.

This isn't a left or right issue:

About 60% or more of New Yorkers in one poll after another are opposed to this mosque. Last I checked, the Big Apple wasn't exactly a bastion of the right.

Most of the 911 families are opposed to this, as are most of the first responders on that day, many of whom were injured and saw their friends and co-workers killed.

Why is this? Can they all possibly be right-wingers? that's hardly likely, is it?

I think a lot of people are opposed because they have a vaguely uneasy sense of triumphalism going on here. Hamas sure isn't uncertain about this, as they've made clear recently.

A lot of people, left, right and centre realize that this proposed construction is just WRONG!!

There you go again, AngryInch, citing opinion polls (as you did in your previous incarnation on this board) as though they were some sort of reliable and absolute authority.

About Opinion Polls

"Polling is bullshit and never useful. What the fuck do you care what people think? You should care only about information and right and wrong." – Penn & Teller

I live in New York, and most people I KNOW (including those who were personally affected by the Twin Towers disaster, such as a cousin of mine), aren't as concerned about the proposed community center as the conservative right makes them out to be.

-- Nephele

Nyaaargggghhh.

I knew where this thread was headed from the moment it started...

Didn't PreZ outlaw this stuff?

Prez basically outlawed religion bashing.

A Note on Religion



When somebody starts making judgments based on pure emotionalism that the constitutional right of people to practice and express their religion in this nation may be "WRONG" that's when the topic starts to get dangerously close to breaking a fundamental rule here at Goth.net

-- Nephele

K.

But if you ask me it's starting to push it rather close...

I will defer to Spidey on that.

It seems that some people never learn -- even when they come back to Goth.net in new incarnations.

Topic closed for now, awaiting Spidey's decision.

-- Nephele

Neph - I think this thread has run it's course. When Annwyn...I mean AngryInch has to come in and stir up trouble just to keep a conversation going, I know there is no place to go but down.

~spidey