Her Word Against His - Rape Allegations
Her Word Against His - Rape Allegations
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Wolfmammy
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Xx_Miss_Kat_xX wrote: I'm astounded at some of the things that have been said here. It truly amazes me how some people have no appreciation for human life, and how what they say or accuse can affect others. When I started dating women I was in my early 20s. One time I found out that someone I was seeing(who told me she was 19) was actually about to turn 18. I called her up and gave her the whole: You lied to me! Don't ever call or contact me again! Do you realize what kind of trouble I could've gotten into because of you?, spiel. I have never gone out with another woman without seeing her driver's license or ID first. I still have trust issues when it comes to women because of it. It hurt me and it's still embarassing. But I do know that sometimes people don't know the true age of the people they're with and they should. Everyone that dates should ID their potential dates. As far as the other stuff, I will do what I have to do to protect my children, they may never be able to do it themselves. When you have children, you can raise and protect them how you see fit.
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| Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:16 am |
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Astal
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GothicBfly wrote: Another one that bugs me is statutory rape, more importantly, when all parties involved (including the parents) agree that they don't feel the need to press charges, yet the DA insists on doing it anyway! This thread made me think of that couple...I think she was like 14 or 15 when she got pregnant, and he was like 18. It was consensual sex. The girl's mom, though not completely happy with her daughter getting pregnant so young, opted to be supportive...even signing over her consent for the girl to marry the baby's father. Because their state didn't allow for someone her age to marry, even with parental consent, they had to get married across state lines. The DA caught wind of it, and insisted on pressing charges against the father, now husband, for statutory rape. The guy was found guilty and is now serving time, leaving the young girl to raise the baby alone (well, not completely alone, because she is getting help from her mom). When the guy gets out of prison, he will probably never be allowed to return to his family. Why? Because he will now be labeled as a sex offender who cannot be around children because his offense was against a minor!
Why does this tick me off so much? We are living in a time where one of the biggest problems in America is fatherless homes. Here you have a man who was stepping up to his responsibility, and some high and mighty DA (probably an election year) decides to make an example of him, and charge him with statutory rape. Now, he cannot be a father to the child. He will have a hard time finding work, which mean that he will find it difficult to even provide for the child financially. Is the DA going to help pay for this child's needs? No!! Mom will be at it alone. The DA's agenda was more important that the child having a father in it's life. If the girl's parents wanted to press charges, that would have been one thing. But this was a case of a DA putting their nose in other people's business!
Now, true...the guy had no business having sex with a girl his wife's age. It does happen all the time, however, and sometimes not at the knowledge of the guy until it is too late. One of the girls my daughter hung out with in high school was only 15...daughter was 17 at the time. The girl put on her facebook and myspace that she was 18. Though myspace, she met this 18 year old guy, and was trying to hook up with him. She and my daughter sneaked out one night to go to a party where the guy was. My daughter had too much to drink (another story all by itself), and let it out that the friend was only 15! The girl tried to play it off, but it made the guy feel uneasy enough that he backed off. If it weren't for my daughter not being able to keep her mouth shut while drunk, the guy probably would have had sex with the girl. I know the girl's mom...when she found out (and she would have...somehow), she would have pressed charges on the guy, and his life would have been ruined because the girl lied about her age! [Sarcasm]But government knows best your not for 18 year old terrorists violating young children of 16 are you??!!! (cops, DA are government in my book)[/Sarcasm] Its sickening, so many of our laws need to be changed. As to the topic, i think anyone who falsely accusses someone of rape should be slapped with the penalty the "rapist" would be getting and the social stigma
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| Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:02 am |
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Pandora Immortelle
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I was drinking and having sex by 15. I was still utterly horrified however to discover that a girl I'd had sex with when I was 23, was only 16! To be fair she hadn't lied to me (I met her in a club with a bunch of people who I knew to be over 18) She just omitted to mention her age or to correct my assumption that she was old enough 
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| Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:42 am |
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Xx_Miss_Kat_xX
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It happens .
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| Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:26 am |
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GothicBfly
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tak tik girl wrote: I was drinking and having sex by 15. I was still utterly horrified however to discover that a girl I'd had sex with when I was 23, was only 16! To be fair she hadn't lied to me (I met her in a club with a bunch of people who I knew to be over 18) She just omitted to mention her age or to correct my assumption that she was old enough  To me, that is the same as lying. I'm sure she had an idea of how old you were. Before things got too far, she should have stopped and said, "You DO know I'm only 16, right?" She was trying to hook up with someone older! It's also scary how much older teenagers look these days! Even a couple of decades ago...must be the hormones they are putting into the milk or something! I knew a 12-year-old girl when I was 16 who looked older than I did! Many are just getting so well developed so soon! And it isn't just girls! My son lifts weights due to being in sports, and his facial hair started coming in. He will be 15 on Sunday...but about a month ago at Kohl's, the lady tried to get him to sign up for a credit card thinking he was over 18! He just laughed, looked at her, and said, "No disrespect, ma'am...I'm only 14!" The cashier was shocked and said he looked so much older (doesn't help that my son has a very deep voice which he inherited from his bio-father, or that we taught him out to act right in public).
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| Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:53 am |
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Pandora Immortelle
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^ This was over a decade ago! It almost happened again when I was 27! However, this time I had the foresight to ask her age before anything happened At the time I was pretty angry, in hindsite I don't think you can blame a 16 yr old girl of lying about her age. I had fake ID at 16 as being under 18 can be a difficult place to be. [edited as I realised how patronisingly it was written. I wrote it and ran to the local grocery store (we have dinner guests coming) and realised my mistake while searching for meringue. Apologies to anyone who read it]
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| Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:12 am |
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StarvingStudent47
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About the statutory rape thing. Right now, statutory rape is a strict liability crime, meaning your intent, knowledge, and belief don't matter so long as you have sex with an underage person. I really, really disagree with this. I think an affirmative defense (i.e., the defendant bears the burden of proof to establish the defense, but if the defendant does, the defendant is not guilty of the crime) needs to be established with three elements:
(1) At the time of the sex act or acts, the defendant actually believed that the other individual was of the age of consent;
(2) Under the circumstances existing at the time, it was objectively reasonable for the defendant to believe that the other individual was of a proper age of consent; and
(3) The other individual made some affirmative act which contributed to the defendant's erroneous belief (whether it be telling the defendant that she is of age, or talking about being a high school senior when the individual actually is in middle school, or being present at an 18+ or 21+ concert).
I don't think it should be the State's burden to prove that every defendant in every statutory rape case knew that the victim was underage. Too many people would escape convictions by pleading ignorance, and it's very hard for the State to prove that a defendant actually did know or suspect that an individual was a minor when the defendant is testifying otherwise. But I think by establishing an affirmative defense like this, we could help avoid the sometimes unfair consequences of statutory rape laws as they are currently written.
I thought of this after something that happened to a friend of mine (that's not a phrase meaning "me," it actually was a friend of mine). At about age 19, he was going out with a girl who said she was a high school senior. He went to dinner with her mother. Her mother corroborated the whole high-school-senior thing. Luckily, before the two ever had sex, a friend tipped him off that the girl was lying; she was in the 8th grade and just had a mature physique. Her mother was corroborating her story because this girl had a habit of dating really bad guys (drug dealers in their 20s and older, etc) and the mother was just elated to have her daughter dating a straight-laced 19-year-old. My friend broke it off right then and there. Luckily, he never had sex with her, but if he had and the cops found out somehow, he could have faced prison time and been a registered sex offender.
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| Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:06 pm |
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Midieval Fantasy
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Personally, I feel that the woman should be harshly dealt with. Rape is a serious offense. It is people like her that make the rape victim into the criminal, and so many alledged rape victims are precieved as sluts, because of some women that claim to have been raped who were not.
It makes me mad when people abuse the system like that and make the whole justice system a mockery for those who actually need it. And they wonder why so many real rape victims go through hell and do not want to proceed to trail - becuase of people who 'cry wolf'.
I also feel that the men should be compensated in some way. We live in a world where it is now 'Guilty until proven innocent' rather than "Innocent until proven guilty". Those men might as well carry a scarlet letter on them for the rest of their lives.
They were the victims, and all they get are a simple apology (if they even got that). When looking for jobs and trying to make something of themsleves, the alligation will always loom above them unless they can find people who are above such nonsense as laying guilt and judgment when none is deserved. However, as mentioned earlier, the men should have had more common sense - i mean seriously a dorm bathroom? Grow up. It was stupid to begin with. But that one stupidty should not determine the rest of their lives.
The woman really should be made an example of to show that false rape alligations are not to be tolerated.
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Arquinsiel
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GothicBfly wrote: It's also scary how much older teenagers look these days! Even a couple of decades ago...must be the hormones they are putting into the milk or something! I knew a 12-year-old girl when I was 16 who looked older than I did! It's being attributed to the good economic conditions and prevalance of plentiful food in some places I've seen. Makes people mature physically faster so they can breed earlier. The same thing is observable in most animals, it's usually a bit more dramatically obvious too. Unfortunately mental maturity still takes the same lenght of time so.... yeah.
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| Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:05 am |
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GothicBfly
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Arquinsiel wrote: GothicBfly wrote: It's also scary how much older teenagers look these days! Even a couple of decades ago...must be the hormones they are putting into the milk or something! I knew a 12-year-old girl when I was 16 who looked older than I did! It's being attributed to the good economic conditions and prevalance of plentiful food in some places I've seen. Makes people mature physically faster so they can breed earlier. The same thing is observable in most animals, it's usually a bit more dramatically obvious too. Unfortunately mental maturity still takes the same lenght of time so.... yeah. Add to that changes in human values. I mean, there used to be a time where a 12 year old would never be allowed by her parents to wear makeup. It was just a society no-no! Shoot, many didn't get to wear makeup until they were out of school! You could usually tell the younger girls by their dress. These days, people are putting mini skirts and such on their 5 year olds, and then wonder why these same girls want to continue to dress this way when they are 13! Fewer people are teaching their children about modesty.
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| Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:34 am |
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sgath92
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I never got what the big deal was about letting kids use makeup. In a school setting where bullies are bullies, it's not doing a kid any favors to keep it (boy or a girl) from using stuff like concealer to cover up red spots, acme breakouts, and so on. Puberty does such awful things to some peoples' skin.
Clothing I can see being more of a point of argument, particularly when the clothing industry seems to assume that "if it's a skirt for anyone under 25 it has to be less than 14" long." Maybe my sentiments are skewed since I've always been on the tall side (where anything that is short, appears shorter) but clothes shopping when I was a teenager, especially for stuff like skirts left me with pretty crappy options, either stuff that was too short, or stuff that was long enough would be way too baggy for my frame to pull off. There was never an easy time of finding a happy medium between the two because the longer stuff would be aimed at older people with more filled-in frames.
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| Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:21 pm |
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GothicBfly
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sgath92 wrote: I never got what the big deal was about letting kids use makeup. In a school setting where bullies are bullies, it's not doing a kid any favors to keep it (boy or a girl) from using stuff like concealer to cover up red spots, acme breakouts, and so on. Puberty does such awful things to some peoples' skin.
Clothing I can see being more of a point of argument, particularly when the clothing industry seems to assume that "if it's a skirt for anyone under 25 it has to be less than 14" long." Maybe my sentiments are skewed since I've always been on the tall side (where anything that is short, appears shorter) but clothes shopping when I was a teenager, especially for stuff like skirts left me with pretty crappy options, either stuff that was too short, or stuff that was long enough would be way too baggy for my frame to pull off. There was never an easy time of finding a happy medium between the two because the longer stuff would be aimed at older people with more filled-in frames. Having been one of those teens with terrible acne, I agree with allowing some sort of cover-up. Even some of the OTC acne meds are putting some form of tint or concealment in their creams. The problem is when you have a 12-year-old completely made up and they look 20! Add the clothing to that. No wonder teens can so easily lie about their age!
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| Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:28 pm |
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sgath92
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GothicBfly wrote: Having been one of those teens with terrible acne, I agree with allowing some sort of cover-up. Even some of the OTC acne meds are putting some form of tint or concealment in their creams. The problem is when you have a 12-year-old completely made up and they look 20! Add the clothing to that. No wonder teens can so easily lie about their age! I'd blame that more on how young people are developing than makeup. When a 11 year old girl has fully developed breasts it's not going to matter whether or not she uses makeup, by the time she's 15 she'll look 18 whether she wants to or not.
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| Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:37 pm |
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GothicBfly
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Tis is true...of course, so many teens these days are starving themselves to the point of flat-chestedness! All trying to be a size 2! At my kids' school, you could always tell the girls who didn't mind eating, and the ones who hated food. Unfortunately, there seemed to be more girls in the latter group...my daughter being one of them. Must be a trend, judging by clothes these days. I mean, I will look at most cute shirts that fit fine in the shoulders and such, but don't button right in front...and I'm not at all anyone who would be considered big!
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