Her Word Against His - Rape Allegations
Her Word Against His - Rape Allegations
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Phenom
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 Her Word Against His - Rape Allegations
A rape allegation is like an STD. . .you carry it like luggage for the rest of your life no matter how much you want to get rid of it. . . Of course, in and out of the work place being accused of rape is no laughing matter, especially if you're a guy since most rapes are committed by men. But the stigma sticks to you like an STD when you're falsely accused of it. These four men(article below) are new members to the falsely accused club but it would not have happened if they were at right place at the right time. My question is, if you're falsely accused, how do you fight it? We live in a society, literally, just because you're gender(if you're a guy), already all eyes are on you without even proof. Unless you have a camera. . .you're toast! Keep in mind, this is nothing against women, because rape does happen, and it has happened to people I know, and if given the chance, I'd snap the guys neck if I had a chance. Short of carrying a camera 24/7 and every where you go, what do you do? Story from CNNQuote: NEW YORK (CNN) -- Four young men falsely accused of raping an 18-year-old student at Hofstra University were trying to return to their normal lives Friday after an ordeal that two of them described as traumatic.
"I was really scared. I couldn't believe what was basically going through my mind. It was like a big nightmare, and I thought I was going to do time for something I didn't do," 20-year-old Kevin Taveras said on HLN's "Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell."
"It was devastating," he said. "I was there just letting the clock tick and tick."
Authorities dropped charges and freed the four men hours after their accuser changed her story about having been forcibly tied up and sexually assaulted in a dormitory bathroom.
"The woman admitted the encounters with each of the men were consensual," Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice told reporters.
The woman recanted her story after authorities told her that part of the incident was recorded on a cell phone video, Rice said. VideoWatch Taveras recount being jailed on false charges »
"That was when she began to tell the truth," Rice said.
Authorities have not released the accuser's name.
"I believe that it is a question of potential safety for her, and the investigation is ongoing," Rice said.
It is against the law to report a crime when there was not one, Rice said. Authorities gave no indication whether the woman may face charges.
"Her actions and her demeanor depict a very troubled young woman in need of much help," Rice said.
Hofstra University has suspended her pending hearings into the matter.
Only one of the four accused is a Hofstra student. He has been allowed to return to campus. None has publicly described what happened that night.
CNN affiliate WABC-TV of New York spoke with another of the accused, Stan Felipe.
"We respect women," he said. "We know how to treat a lady. The thing they said with the rope? Come on. That's disgusting. That's what we were looked at as: disgusting men."
"It did traumatize us," Felipe said. "I'm just happy to be home finally."
Taveras also spoke with WABC.
"It was traumatizing," he told the station. "It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty."
He added, "We were treated like animals."
They thought they might go to prison for 25 years for something they didn't do, Taveras said.
His mother felt as though "she was imprisoned with me," Taveras told HLN. "My whole family was imprisoned because of this."
Taveras' attorney had sharp criticism for police in the case.
"They paraded their photos in front of the media. They held this press conference. They released all these terrible details about this alleged rape that never took place. And you know, they went off half-cocked, basically," Victor Daly-Rivera said.
Sgt. Anthony Repalone, spokesman for the Nassau County Police Department, told CNN on Friday that the department had no comment.
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Nephele
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Phenom wrote: Short of carrying a camera 24/7 and every where you go, what do you do? Don't fuck crazy bitches in dormitory bathrooms. -- Nephele
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Arquinsiel
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Nephele wrote: Phenom wrote: Short of carrying a camera 24/7 and every where you go, what do you do? Don't fuck crazy bitches in dormitory bathrooms. -- Nephele I think this is good general life advice. Personally I think this should be seen as the obvious crime of wasting police time (which it is) with heavy penalties attached. Either a jail sentance of 1-3 months or a heavy fine. If she's proven to be mentall disturbed then bung her into a mental hospital for a while, if not, advise the falsly accused of their rights regarding a civil suit for slander/defamation of character. Most importantly, publicise the hell out of it. Of course, this only applies in cases where it can be proven that the claim is false - a case which is inconclusive is a much harder pickle to deal with. As an aside, I've been told some odd statistics about rape in Germany, and those telling me suggest that the bias is of the other orientation there thanks to such regular false claims. I am also reminded of the judge here who threw out a case on the grounds that "you can't get jeans off someone who doesn't want you to.".....
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| Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:19 pm |
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Carpathian Dark Princess
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Classic boy-who-cried-wolf scenario.
My question is, did any of these men have sexual contact with the "victim"? If so (since no one has told what exactly happened that night, if anything transpired at all), then this case makes a whole lot more sense. The girl had sexual relations with all four of these guys - possibly at the same time - but she doesn't wanted to be labeled a slut if any of the guys chatter, so she cries "rape" instead.
It's sad, because now that her story has been proven false, she's not only going to be labeled as a loose woman, she's going to be labeled a liar. And if that was the case, then this girl needs some consoling as well as some time in jail, or community service, or maybe more affective, a fine.
Still, if the guys didn't do ANYTHING (because if the guys did have sexual contact with her - and they all consented - you just need to look before you leap in these situations, because you never know what kind of person that you're sticking your you-know-what in is like), then I feel terribly sorry for them, because the falsly accused will always suffer the greatest consequences.
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| Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:55 am |
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Arquinsiel
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CNN wrote: "The woman admitted the encounters with each of the men were consensual," Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice told reporters.
The woman recanted her story after authorities told her that part of the incident was recorded on a cell phone video, Rice said.
Seems like it was taped to a degree. Doesn't tell us if it was a five man band or just four seperate encounters though.
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Lunamoth
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Nephele wrote: Phenom wrote: Short of carrying a camera 24/7 and every where you go, what do you do? Don't fuck crazy bitches in dormitory bathrooms. -- Nephele AMEN. I mean, yeah, have a good time in this life if the people you're doing it with are consenting. But for gods' sakes, have a little maturity with your sex. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. People with a bit more experience know you have to really trust the person you're about to be kinky with. Jeeze. As for compensation? Honestly, I think people are a bit too quick to go after "compensation" these days for anything that happens to them. Can you put a monetary value upon public humiliation and libel/slander? I'd be more in favour of "tit for tat" (sorry). However much publicity the men got for the allegations, so should the accuser have for her lies. Make her wear a sign around her neck that says "I'm a liar and a fraud." Or something.
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LEGlON
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ad least there was no pizza throwing,
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hideous
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Trying to cash in financially just seems to add one more wrong on the tab here. I believe she should be charged, and the court should mandate she work in a rape crisis center, teacher her that rape is a horrible, serious matter not to be carelessly invoked like she did.
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LEGlON
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hideous wrote: Trying to cash in financially just seems to add one more wrong on the tab here. I believe she should be charged, and the court should mandate she work in a rape crisis center, teacher her that rape is a horrible, serious matter not to be carelessly invoked like she did. Two wrongs don't make a right, but a few billion make a human.
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Phenom
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Quote: Trying to cash in financially just seems to add one more wrong on the tab here. I believe she should be charged, and the court should mandate she work in a rape crisis center, teacher her that rape is a horrible, serious matter not to be carelessly invoked like she did. We call this crying wolf and we all know what happened to the boy in the end who "Cried Wolf." Of course here in the U.S. of A., all calls are taken seriously(????). But I do think she should see jail time and compensate the state for the use of their resources. Its peeve me off that she's literally getting away scot-free on this! They should make her carry a sign that reads "I am a deceiver! I lied about being raped! Honk if I should be punished!"
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Wolfmammy
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Phenom wrote: Quote: Trying to cash in financially just seems to add one more wrong on the tab here. I believe she should be charged, and the court should mandate she work in a rape crisis center, teacher her that rape is a horrible, serious matter not to be carelessly invoked like she did. We call this crying wolf and we all know what happened to the boy in the end who "Cried Wolf." Of course here in the U.S. of A., all calls are taken seriously(????). But I do think she should see jail time and compensate the state for the use of their resources. Its peeve me off that she's literally getting away scot-free on this! They should make her carry a sign that reads "I am a deceiver! I lied about being raped! Honk if I should be punished!" I agree! There's no way to give those guys back their reputations, they will always be tarnished because of her. People like her disgust me to no end! They should have a public spanking line for her like on the Simpsons so people can drive up and wail on her!
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Doomyfractals
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I've heard some pretty interesting rules about rape. Apparently women can decide it's rape after the event if they felt like the man "pressured" them into it. It's rediculious, and ignores what REAL rape is. Real rape is not hooking up with a guy because we have hormones and then regretting it later and blaming the guy. Yet, my high school's health program tells women to call the police about rape if a man encourages them to have sex and they regret it later. That's just not right IMO.
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GothicBfly
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That is definitely the wrong message to send out to women...I agree. There are some real victims out there, and real predators who need to be castrated and put away for life! But the 20-something college guy who hooked up with some girl from a party should not have to live his life registering as a sex offender because she later regrets the hookup and tries to claim she was pressured. That could ruin the guy's life, and for what? A one night stand that was consensual, but then the girl felt sleezy about it later, so she decides to cry rape? This could get the guy thrown out of school, turned down for jobs....even his own children could be taken away from him later in life! I remember reading a story a while back that a registered sex offender married, and they had a child, but because he was listed as not being allowed to be around children the woman either had to leave him, or risk losing her baby. Now, in that case, the guy may have been a real scumbag, but this is just one example of something that could happen to the falsely accused later in life.
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Wolfmammy
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Well, if you keep telling someone "No!" and they keep on and keep on pleading, caressing and pressuring you I do think that's a form of rape. Date rape, I believe. I was the type of girl that would end up walking away rather than listen to some loser keep pleading for sexual favors, though.  I can't stand those waesling, needy, pleading types. If you hook up with some guy and later on it makes you feel slutty so you cry, "RAPE!", yeah, that's wrong. I mean, we've probably all already(or will one day) slept with someone and regretted it. You just have to woman up and own your past, though, not shove the blame on someone else.
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GothicBfly
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Another one that bugs me is statutory rape, more importantly, when all parties involved (including the parents) agree that they don't feel the need to press charges, yet the DA insists on doing it anyway! This thread made me think of that couple...I think she was like 14 or 15 when she got pregnant, and he was like 18. It was consensual sex. The girl's mom, though not completely happy with her daughter getting pregnant so young, opted to be supportive...even signing over her consent for the girl to marry the baby's father. Because their state didn't allow for someone her age to marry, even with parental consent, they had to get married across state lines. The DA caught wind of it, and insisted on pressing charges against the father, now husband, for statutory rape. The guy was found guilty and is now serving time, leaving the young girl to raise the baby alone (well, not completely alone, because she is getting help from her mom). When the guy gets out of prison, he will probably never be allowed to return to his family. Why? Because he will now be labeled as a sex offender who cannot be around children because his offense was against a minor!
Why does this tick me off so much? We are living in a time where one of the biggest problems in America is fatherless homes. Here you have a man who was stepping up to his responsibility, and some high and mighty DA (probably an election year) decides to make an example of him, and charge him with statutory rape. Now, he cannot be a father to the child. He will have a hard time finding work, which mean that he will find it difficult to even provide for the child financially. Is the DA going to help pay for this child's needs? No!! Mom will be at it alone. The DA's agenda was more important that the child having a father in it's life. If the girl's parents wanted to press charges, that would have been one thing. But this was a case of a DA putting their nose in other people's business!
Now, true...the guy had no business having sex with a girl his wife's age. It does happen all the time, however, and sometimes not at the knowledge of the guy until it is too late. One of the girls my daughter hung out with in high school was only 15...daughter was 17 at the time. The girl put on her facebook and myspace that she was 18. Though myspace, she met this 18 year old guy, and was trying to hook up with him. She and my daughter sneaked out one night to go to a party where the guy was. My daughter had too much to drink (another story all by itself), and let it out that the friend was only 15! The girl tried to play it off, but it made the guy feel uneasy enough that he backed off. If it weren't for my daughter not being able to keep her mouth shut while drunk, the guy probably would have had sex with the girl. I know the girl's mom...when she found out (and she would have...somehow), she would have pressed charges on the guy, and his life would have been ruined because the girl lied about her age!
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