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Sony (Playstation/Playstation 2) 17%  17%  [ 8 ]
Nintendo (NES, SNES, N64, Game Cube, Game Boys) 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Sega (Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Microsoft X-Box 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Computer Games (Emulated, Software) 32%  32%  [ 15 ]
More than one (or all) of these 36%  36%  [ 17 ]
I'm not a gamer 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 47

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Jacquel wrote:
well id just like to say one word to all those console lovers out there... EMULATION! almost any game out there is avalable for download for phree. the games look better are cusomizable and networkable(usually)

Actually that's not true, I have a bunch of emulated games on my computer ... usually they look best on the TV because that's where they were optimized to be played ...

Also, many of those games just don't feel right on the computer because they were optimized to work with the controller of the system they were designed on.

Don't get me wrong, I love emulation ... but it isn't superior to owning the originals ...

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and most of the best games ither started on PC's or are being turned to PC games. if im wrong correct me.


I've heard the opposite said as well. Actually, I think there's a bigger PC-game to console-game rate than vice versa ...

I think there's advantages to both. Super Smash (for example) is better in the console arena ...

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Thu May 30, 2002 11:53 am
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Couldn't you just put all the arguments into one post instead of three? I mean,if there is a limit on words you can put in a message,I'd understand,but still.... :!

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Dragoon wrote:
To the Xbox and GameCube owners out there, the only thing I have to say to them is: Final Fantasy. Except for the early, early games, the FF series never has and never will switch systems.

I'm a Final Fanta-freak as well.

I've played FFX at my friend's house, and I ahve to say, yes the graphics, dubbing, and new features (like the battle system? I love it!) are kick @$$, but I really liked the older FFs better.

IMO, FFIV and FFVI are my favorites. Everyone you'll run into will say FFVII (or maybe IX) are the best.

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Dragoon wrote:
Oh, one more thing, i would worship the one who invented Emulaters. It was an emulated version on Chrono Trigger that first turned me on to RPGs and the like.

Ooh, I enjoyed Chrono Trigger as well. Yet another Akira Toriyama drawn video game, hmm?

I got it in Final Fantasy: Anthology sometime in the spring. I liked the extras that were in the PS version, like the videos scattered around the important scenes.

I haven't played it (or any game) emulated, though.......

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DeTnemrot wrote:
What the fuck was that fuck-tard Bill Gates thinking??

Must... Crush... Nintendo.... and... Sony....
More....... Money....

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Unimportant Character wrote:
Couldn't you just put all the arguments into one post instead of three? I mean,if there is a limit on words you can put in a message,I'd understand,but still.... :!

No, in this case I think it worked better responding to different people's different points in different posts. Much like strife just did ;P

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Isisrael wrote:
Actually, Xbox is selling much more systems than Nintendo, and it's selling way more games on its system than Nintendo. It already has a 2-million installed base in the US ... so it's selling just as fast as the PS2 did in its first 6 months ...

While not a console gamer, I think Nintendos main problem is the fact that it will always be stuck with the Mario Bros./kiddy image. Consoles like Playstation and the XBox have very successfully marketed at the mid/late-teen and adult audience with their games which gives them a much wider audience.

As for the popularity of the XBox, Microsoft has the advantage of having a huge distribution network, and a lot of influence in the world of computers and software makers. As a game design company you'd be a fool to ignore a giant like M$. And consumers also like a brand name they know and (think they can) trust. M$ can sell a lot of items based on brandname recognition only.

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Thu May 30, 2002 5:27 pm
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Lilith wrote:
While not a console gamer, I think Nintendos main problem is the fact that it will always be stuck with the Mario Bros./kiddy image. Consoles like Playstation and the XBox have very successfully marketed at the mid/late-teen and adult audience with their games which gives them a much wider audience.

I agree ... except I think it's a problem as long as Nintendo treats it that way ...

On another level, the kid market for videogames is also big business ... just not AS big ...

If Nintendo just stayed with creating videogames for a younger audience (which it isn't) it would create a niche for itself.

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As for the popularity of the XBox, Microsoft has the advantage of having a huge distribution network, and a lot of influence in the world of computers and software makers. As a game design company you'd be a fool to ignore a giant like M$. And consumers also like a brand name they know and (think they can) trust. M$ can sell a lot of items based on brandname recognition only.


Yeah, it's just what happened with Sony. Or did we all forget that Sony is a massive corporation which had less to do with videogames when it put out the Playstation. (that is, compared to Microsoft when it put out the Xbox)

Sony had the money, and muscled he game away from Sega and Nintendo. Sony is just as "big and bad" as Microsoft ... let's not fool ourselves.



Edited By Isisrael on May 30 2002 at 18:53

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Isisrael wrote:
Yeah, it's just what happened with Sony. Or did we all forget that Sony is a massive corporation which had less to do with videogames when it put out the Playstation. (that is, compared to Microsoft when it put out the Xbox)

Sony had the money, and muscled he game away from Sega and Nintendo. Sony is just as "big and bad" as Microsoft ... let's not fool ourselves.

I don't think most people's problem with M$ is the fact that they're a large corporation, though it is an additional factor. It's they way they try and monopolise the personal computer software arena (OS/browser/office suites).

Sony managed to muscle it's way into the console gaming industry by offering something that people wanted, not dubious business tactics. From what I've heard their consoles are good and they have an excellent range of games. They also aimed at a slightly different target than Nintendo, which also hasn't really innovated itself all that much over the years.

As for Sega, I'm not sure what their problem was... I remember when they had a handheld console out similar to the gameboy back when gameboys were being introduced... it had a colour screen when gameboy's was monochromatic which I thought was a big advantage. They just seemed to fade out of view though. Bad marketing?

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Thu May 30, 2002 6:49 pm
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Lilith wrote:
Sony managed to muscle it's way into the console gaming industry by offering something that people wanted, not dubious business tactics.
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As for Sega, I'm not sure what their problem was...

Actually ... Sony definately used some dubious business tactics (in my opinion) to ensure their place.

For example, the situation with bleem! They kept that in the courts (continously getting rulings against them) until the Sega Dreamcast was dead ... and it didn't matter anymore.

Not to mention I suspect they had some kind of deals with Wal-Mart/K-Mart/Target ... as I was always discouraged from buying Dreamcast products in those stores, and told to buy Sony products instead. Even after the Dreamcast's launch (which was the most successful system launch in history at that time) ... the Sega Dreamcast sections were usually hidden in those stores ...

Don't get me wrong, Microsoft has a bad record ... need I mention the PC for Kids ordeal in Australia ... but Sony, for example, uses child labor ... really, they're all bad. Sega was the only major console maker that actually seemed to have semi-noble business practices ... that's probably why they're not in that business anymore ...

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I remember when they had a handheld console out similar to the gameboy back when gameboys were being introduced... it had a colour screen when gameboy's was monochromatic which I thought was a big advantage. They just seemed to fade out of view though. Bad marketing?


The problem was how long the batteries lasted in those things (2 hours max) compared to the gameboy (8 hours) ... It just ended up being a huge factor for portables. Nintendo waited till they could put out an advanced system that could last as long as the old Gameboy ... voila! Gameboy Advance ...

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Isisrael wrote:
For example, the situation with bleem! They kept that in the courts (continously getting rulings against them) until the Sega Dreamcast was dead ... and it didn't matter anymore.

Not to mention I suspect they had some kind of deals with Wal-Mart/K-Mart/Target ... as I was always discouraged from buying Dreamcast products in those stores, and told to buy Sony products instead. Even after the Dreamcast's launch (which was the most successful system launch in history at that time) ... the Sega Dreamcast sections were usually hidden in those stores ...

Don't get me wrong, Microsoft has a bad record ... need I mention the PC for Kids ordeal in Australia ... but Sony, for example, uses child labor ... really, they're all bad. Sega was the only major console maker that actually seemed to have semi-noble business practices ... that's probably why they're not in that business anymore ...

I don't know anything about Sony business tactics, so I can't really comment on that. So I don't know about "bleem!".

As for the Kmart/Walmart deals, that kind of thing is probably contestable in the courts... but then Walmart is a whole different story in itself... due to size they wield way too much influence for comfort. They have this tendency to boycott anything they don't find wholesome and can force musical artists to create 'clean' versions of their cd's or refuse to sell cd's by that artist. It's censorship, plain and simple, but record labels and the like would rather bend over and take it up the arse rather than stand up and fight to protect the artistic integrity of their artists because it means more to them to have the cd in the racks.

If Dreamcast had one of the most successful launches I really missed that... I do remember PS2 and XBox releases cause the tv was inundated with ads for those for weeks.

PC for Kids? explain...

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Thu May 30, 2002 8:57 pm
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Lilith wrote:
If Dreamcast had one of the most successful launches I really missed that... I do remember PS2 and XBox releases cause the tv was inundated with ads for those for weeks.

Dreamcast had *thee* most successful launch ever, when it came out. (the PS2 beat that record the next year)

Why wasn't it all over the news hyped ad nauseam?

Well, because Sega is little old sega ... and Sony and Microsoft, are, well, SONY AND MICROSOFT! ::add echo effect::

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PC for Kids? explain...


PC for Kids is a little non-profit group in Australia that supplied poor children with free computers.

Microsoft sued them a couple years ago for giving these children computers with Windows 3.1 (and I think sometimes Windows 95) installed on them ...

Microsoft wanted some $200 per computer (or more) ... after some bad publicity, this was lowered to around $75 (since they're non-profit, of course, of course)

Regardless that Microsoft no longer supported 3.1 (or 95 even! ) at the time ... these were outdated OSs, not interfering with Microsoft's sales at all ...

Really, PC for Kids made a big mistake to continue its fight with Microsoft (I am sure it would have destroyed them) ... but ... not to pass up a PR opputunity ... Linux stepped in and offered to reformat the computers with its latest version of RedHat ...

There are probably some errors in there since this is all off the top of my head ... but I'm sure there's a wealth of information on it if you want to look it up :b



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Isisrael wrote:
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If Dreamcast had one of the most successful launches I really missed that... I do remember PS2 and XBox releases cause the tv was inundated with ads for those for weeks.

Dreamcast had *thee* most successful launch ever, when it came out. (the PS2 beat that record the next year)

Why wasn't it all over the news hyped ad nauseam?

There are probably some errors in there since this is all off the top of my head ... but I'm sure there's a wealth of information on it if you want to look it up :b

I didn't say anything about the news, I said ads. Companies pay for their own ads which has nothing to do with news exposure.

As for mistakes... I think you mean RedHat offered their version of Linux rather than the other way around ;)

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Lilith wrote:
While not a console gamer, I think Nintendos main problem is the fact that it will always be stuck with the Mario Bros./kiddy image. Consoles like Playstation and the XBox have very successfully marketed at the mid/late-teen and adult audience with their games which gives them a much wider audience.

Even so, Nintendo had still had some success even after the debut of the Sony Playstation. For some of the RPG freaks, the SNES was debated as one of the great RPG consoles. And if I remember correctly, the SNES was still selling games at the same time as the PS, and still racked up sales.
Granted, they weren't as hot as the PS, but there was still proof that Nintendo would still be alive. Just look at the Game Boy legacy.

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I personally think that Nintendo has been smart in their development for a more "family-oriented" game. Look at the array of fighting games on the market. As bloody as alot of them can get, Nintendo still found a way to have a fighting game without the displaced body parts and buckets of gore (I really don't have to say, but SSB:Melee, anyone?). Even if a gamer wanted to fulfill their bloodlust, the GameCube does have the the latest installment of the Bloody Roar series.



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