Agent Bat wrote:
I have, over the years, become convinced that EBEs do not originate from other planets, but rather from other dimensions. What do you think
The Lovecraft-fan in me cackles with mad, unrepentant glee at the thought. I mean, what if all those disc and cigar shaped objects sighted over the years were not interstellar craft? Or even craft at all. Perhaps they are merely shadows cast into the third dimension by fourth-dimensional creatures, so vast and incomprehensible our limited senses can only perceive a fraction of their magnificence. Much like how Mr Square perceives the Sphere in Edwin A Abbot's Flatland
I was an avid amateur UFO scholar in my younger days, having read "Alien Liaison" and played the hell out of the UFO/XCOM series
. However years of crushing disappointment due to a lack of irrefutable evidence (despite advances in the sophistication and ubiquity of recording equipment), and the growing sense of cynicism that comes with age, have dampened my enthusiasm somewhat.
Your rather Cthulian thoughts above actually match my beliefs regarding the UFO phenomenon very closely.
I recognize, and sympathize with, that cynicism. I haven't totally given up my enthusiasm over the subject just yet. I do
still believe the phenomenon exists, and that it is something beyond our current scientific understanding. There is some
scant evidence that the darn things do exist; enough to get actual scientists - such as astronomers Hynek and Vallée and physicists Bruce Maccabee
and Harold Puthoff
(though Puthoff recently became a scientologist, so that diminishes his credibility somewhat), all
of whom have been employed by/involved with the US Government due to their interest in UFOs - to go from being skeptics to believers (or, in the case of Maccabee and Puthoff, from being believers to stark raving UFO-nuts). While my own excitement over the subject has diminished significantly - yeah, I used to be much worse
- it hasn't gone away.
I might believe in aliens if they anal-probed people besides drunken farmers in the middle of nowhere doing questionable things to livestock. You just don't hear about that shit happening to scientists or university professors.
Actually, it's not just drunken farmers who are abducted. (I realize you probably meant that as an exaggeration, but it's one I feel obligated to debunk because the evidence - namely, dozens of reported abductions every year, numbers that have actually shown an increase
over the years - proves otherwise. People from all walks of life report alien abductions. The first reported abductee, Antonio Villas Boas
, sort of fits the "backwater farmboy" mold, except that he's from Brazil, so "redneck" doesn't exactly describe him. The first couple to popularize
the phenomenon with their abduction story four years later - Betty and Barney Hill
- didn't exactly fit the "drunken redneck" mold at all
. They were a mixed-race couple, a rarity when the abduction occurred in 1961: Betty was a social worker and Barney was a postman. Both were community leaders and NAACP members, and Barney was a member of the local board of the US Civil Rights Commission. Whitley Streiber
, author of Communion
(his allegedly non-fiction retelling of his experience), ironically enough, was a horror novel author who wrote about werewolves. Brigitte Grant
is a British make-up artist. Herbert Schirmer
was a Nabraska police officer. David Liebe Hart
is a well-known actor and puppeteer who has appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live!
; he claimed to have been abducted at an early age. Robert Taylor? A respected forester from Scotland whose close encounter is known as the "Livingston Incident"
. Peter Khoury, a Lebanese resident of Australia, wasn't exactly "abducted" per se, but his infamous experience
was no less bizarre. And these are just the notable
cases, the ones that stand out from others more. There are many, many more cases similar to this. Again, it's not all a gaggle of rednecks from the sticks. In fact, the early cases of UFO sightings and abductions were typically average American citizens, holding down decent and respectable jobs, living in the suburbs in small "nuclear family" units.
The people who've studied UFO abductions aren't exactly nutjobs, either. Would you consider a Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer and Harvard-trained psychiatrist a nut? How about a history professor? Then John Edward Mack
, David M. Jacobs
are absolutely certifiable; their works helped popularize the phenomenon and bring it some measure of credibility.
The "redneck farmer" stereotype came about thanks to the Travis Walton
abduction case; you've probably seen the film version, Fire in the Sky
. To be fair, though, Walton wasn't
a farmer out fucking sheep; he was a logger who was on the job with a logging crew when he was abducted. Ever since that case, the Media has hyped up the image of the "back-woods, blue-collar, redneck UFO abductee". Guess which stories get reported most? Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker were two such blue-collar shipyard workers out fishing when they were abducted
near Pascagoula, Mississippi. The infamous Allagash Abductions
? Four guys out camping. Ain't nothin' more blue-collar than that! You see this treatment even in stories of UFO abductees from other countries: Jan Wolski was a farmer out riding in a horse-drawn buggy near Emilcin, Poland when he was abducted
; Meng Zhaoguo
was a logger working at Wuchang, Heilongjiang in China; Dionisio Llanca
was a truck driver making a run to Río Gallegos in Argentina when he was "taken".
The stereotype makes sense, if you think about it. Look at what reporting a UFO abduction does to a person's life. If you were a wealthy, affluent person whose livelihood depended upon your social, political or business connections, do you really
want to fuck all that up by telling people that the saucer-men were poking about your anus, or are you going to keep that quiet so all your friends don't abandon you? If you're an MD, do you really
of your patients are going to remain your patients if you go public with your story of alien-rape? What if you're a psychologist? Wouldn't people start saying, "The shrink is nuts!" if you told anyone about your "experiences"? How about a politician? A statesman can have his shot at the presidency totally ruined just by screaming in excitement
during a campaign rally; what do you think telling people about his "intimate encounter" with E.B.E.s would do to a person's shot at the Oval Office? Of course
a scientist, a businessman or a politician isn't going to report their UFO abduction story; they've got too much to lose!
But a farmer? A trucker? A logger? A fisherman? A dock worker? What've they got to lose? Are people really
going to stop giving you truck hauls or pizza delivery jobs if you claim to have been abducted by a UFO? Only if you put it on your resume. Other than that, what've you got to lose by coming forward with your story?
I would like to point out: no
, I do not
believe every UFO sighting/abduction story out there. For example, I find the stories related by the most celebrated UFO abductee, Whitley Streiber, to be most dubious. (Think about it: he wrote horror and science fiction before
becoming an abductee. Coming up with a fantastic-sounding abduction scenario wouldn't be hard for him, would it? Hell, a book he and Art Bell wrote became The Day After Tomorrow
, so I definitely
think he's nuts.) What I'm saying here is that UFO abductions aren't just something that happens only to inbred yokels.
I watched a video that showed exactly how crop circles are formed. Surprisingly low-tech. Hell, I could go do it to my neighbor's yard right now. His grass is about high enough.
I will remain a skeptic until there is something truly unexplainable by Science, science dammit!
The crop circles hoax is an old one. I remember seeing vids on how it was done back when I was in high school. Hell, a song
was even made about the fiasco. Doesn't necessarily mean UFO sightings or UFO abductions/encounters are all frauds.