That is not always neccessarly true. Most trance that is happy or epic sounding is cyber trance. If you have ever heard PsyTrance or Goa. It can sound very similar to industrial. A lot of psytrance and goa tracks can dark sounding. Infected Mushroom is a good example of what im talking about

I put my opinion where it was exact on these.

-Front242 -- EBM
-Velvet Acid Christ -- ElectroIndustrial
-Decoded Feedback --ElectroIndustrial
-Suicide Commando --ElectroIndustrial
-Hanzel and Gretyl --Coldwave
-Kmfdm --Too hard to classify. Seriously.
-Juno Reactor --Trance
-Haujobb --IDM/Industrial at times
-Assemblage23 ---Futurepop
-Covenant --Futurepop

I agreed with this post except this particular line:



I have NEVER heard a psy or goa song that sounds industrial. Please give me some examples. I think you are confusing Futurepop (VNV Nation, A23, Apop) with industrial.

Actually im not confusing the two of them I have heard several tracks that almost sound a lot like industrial there isnt very many of them but there are a few.*)

Some think Industrial sprouted from the same roots as "techno" waaaaaay back, as in late 70's. Think early Kraftwerk kind of days. Being a lover of both, I've become familiar with the distinctions. "Techno," a blanket term from myriad styles and variations in music created via computers and synthesizers, has it's own moods and nuances which are distinctly different from those of Industrial. I'm not finding the words for it, since mathematically they are very similar. It's in the songs themselves, and the feel. Industrial has a very particular feel to it, where as every genre of electronic music is distinctly different from it (just as it differs from itself).

"Techno" actually consists of downtempo, techno, hardcore, jungle, house, and trance musics. They are all distinctive in character, and one you've heard a little of each, you know that jungle is nothing like trance, and hardcore is nothing like house, except that they all are music that uses tonal instruments (usually) to create the sounds, be they natural or synthesized. Industrial could be found along these lines, but it shares so much with instrumental Goth music that it has just about split off.

So next time someone tries to say that industrial is techno, laugh at them. They meant to say "I don't really know much about the relationship between techno and industrial, but I'm going to pretend I do."

Correct me.

This arguement is really old. I have a copy of Industrial Nation issue 6, which was released in 1992. The editorial talks about people mistaking industrial for techno.

Industrial generally has slower bpms and a darker feel to it. Techno is the more happy happy (erego "kids" and "candy") feel and is usually a bit faster (their dance style requires more speed, while the goth stomp just likes a brisk pace).

When I speak of these genres I speak of the simplest and most commonly used forms, there are many derivative forms that would not fall under these categories... but they are entirely different forms of music.

Take mine, for example... definitely a dark feel... but much more emotional, not as mechanical as industrial or techno. Yet it pulls from both of them.

Nevyn Nowhere
http://www.nowhere.ca.tt

Free Music and Thought for
the Forward Thinking Mind

I'm sure this is an old argument, Azriel, but it is still an argument.

I must say that the last time I went clubbing industrial was on the low side. Tragedy has befallen the club scene when I bring a friend and I hear what MUST have been House music, a shameless a clear derivative of disco-era music. Not more than a couple songs, but what on this round Earth was going on? The same night I heard a few minutes of Drum n' Bass. Shame, shame, shame...

Industrial doesn't keep the darkness for itself. There are varieties of techno which are distinctly dark, and may even threaten industrial's throne as the darkest. Even the music that was once called "Happy Hardcore," the bread and butter of the rainbow clad "kandy kidz," dips into darker and more somber notes than some of the most popular club songs.

It seems that Industrial's claims are it's specific neighborhood of tempos, and a sound that is not only dark, but forceful and angry. For some reason, that's just not the sound you hear anymore.

Bring that thrashing beat back.

a definition of industrial (found on either industrial 101, or how to be industrial: a rivethead's guide)

a bunch of angry belgians having a fight with a washing machine

also the more elite you get, the more you end up saying: Industrial is Einsturzende Neubauten, Throbbing Gristle, and early Skinny Puppy...End of story:p

Hear hear.

Though you forgot Nurse With Wound, NON, Whitehouse and Coil.

and Cabaret Voltaire!

If you continue at this rate of adding things, you'll end up being back where you started.

(This is vialick, can't be bothered logging out of GF's account)

well at least people seem to have more of an idea what 'real' tech is these days

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there are some Industrial tech tracks, so there is a similarity

techno has less words than industrial or at least I think so...maybe I'm wrong

Yes. The defining difference is "lack of words". I have seen the light.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Anyways, defining industrial is just way too hard. I can name a dozen different subcatagoriztions in the genre.